Discussion:
Intellitouch or Seiko
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Guy Snape
2006-12-04 15:13:57 UTC
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Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?

- guy
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John Albert
2006-12-04 15:27:43 UTC
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Guy asked:
<< Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing about
unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose between
them? >>

Although I have never used the Intellitouch, I would highly recommend the
Seiko (I have one).

The Seiko's LED's are _very_ easy to see and use (even for an older guy like
me with declining vision).

The Seiko also offers a few features the Intellitouch may _not_ have, such as:
- a built-in mic so you can tune with the tuner _off_ the instrument (I
actually use the tuner in this mode nearly all the time, works as well as
having it clipped on the headstock)
- the ability to generate simple "reference tuning tones"

I had previously purchased a KORG OT-12 for tuning, which cost more than twice
the price of the Seiko. I was unsure as to whether I'd like an "LED-type"
tuner rather than the "needle type" of the KORG. But I find the Seiko _MUCH_
easier to use. The KORG pretty much just sits there now....

- John
Steve Hawkins
2006-12-04 15:40:12 UTC
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Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
- guy
Guy, I've owned the Intellitouch and I currently have the Seiko. I like
the Seiko much better. It does a better job on the low notes, no problems
with the B string on my baritone and it's better built. My Intellitouch
baterry door split in two and the clamp got sloppy.

Steve Hawkins
Baabin
2006-12-04 15:50:44 UTC
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I own both and go for the intellitouch...
1. It is more accurate (<1 cent)
2. If you use it as it should be and are not gorilla like in your putting
it on etc it lasts (I have had mine for quite a while, use it at least
daily, and realize that it has to be on solidly to get a good reading.

However, if you can find the equivalent in the Intelli line of the Meisel
MCT-7L you will find a solid tuner, with outstanding response, that is +/-
0.5 cents as a clip on.

Smitty
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
- guy
Guy, I've owned the Intellitouch and I currently have the Seiko. I like
the Seiko much better. It does a better job on the low notes, no problems
with the B string on my baritone and it's better built. My Intellitouch
baterry door split in two and the clamp got sloppy.

Steve Hawkins
jeff carter
2006-12-04 16:06:27 UTC
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Post by Baabin
However, if you can find the equivalent in the Intelli line of the Meisel
MCT-7L you will find a solid tuner, with outstanding response, that is +/-
0.5 cents as a clip on.
Smitty
Is this the one?

http://tinyurl.com/fakbk

--Jeff



http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/jeffcarter_music.htm
http://youtu.be/XPvSLo363lk
Baabin
2006-12-04 17:51:49 UTC
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You got it... I absolutely love the tuner as it is easy to use, accurate,
and BACKLIGHT WELL!!! I had an old hard glass case that I turned into a case
for mine as the clip on might be fragile (The only issue I might have with
it) and have bought a 2nd one (but reinforced that box to protect the unit.
Meisel also has a nice combination Metronome and tuner (again 0,5 cent
accuracy) that requires a clip on lead to use. I have one of those in my
good guitar cases as the metronome has numerous patterns you can set it to,
and the cost is very reasonable (about what the other one costs...)

Smitty
Post by Baabin
However, if you can find the equivalent in the Intelli line of the Meisel
MCT-7L you will find a solid tuner, with outstanding response, that is +/-
0.5 cents as a clip on.
Smitty
Is this the one?

http://tinyurl.com/fakbk

--Jeff



http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/jeffcarter_music.htm
http://youtu.be/XPvSLo363lk
Misifus
2006-12-04 19:24:37 UTC
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Post by jeff carter
Post by Baabin
However, if you can find the equivalent in the Intelli line of the Meisel
MCT-7L you will find a solid tuner, with outstanding response, that is +/-
0.5 cents as a clip on.
Smitty
Is this the one?
http://tinyurl.com/fakbk
I don't have the Seiko, but I do have both the Intellitouch PT-1 and the
Intelli IMT-500. I much prefer the Intelli for its greater ease of use
and better accuracy.

-Raf
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unknown
2006-12-04 21:42:26 UTC
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Count me as another vote for the Intelli IMT-500. It has replaced my Boss
TU-12H and Korg CA-30 for all of my instruments.

Conrad
Post by Misifus
I don't have the Seiko, but I do have both the Intellitouch PT-1 and the
Intelli IMT-500. I much prefer the Intelli for its greater ease of use
and better accuracy.
-Raf
jeff carter
2006-12-04 15:52:43 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
- guy
Guy, I've owned the Intellitouch and I currently have the Seiko. I like
the Seiko much better. It does a better job on the low notes, no problems
with the B string on my baritone and it's better built. My Intellitouch
baterry door split in two and the clamp got sloppy.
Steve Hawkins
I've had an intellitouch for about a year or so, and have been happy
with it, but it does have a hard time recognizing the basses. I have to
play the 12th fret harmonic on the 5th and 6th strings for it to
register. I don't have any experince with the Seiko, but if it's
getting around this issue (and if it's catching the low B on a
baritone, it must be!), that'd be a plus in my book.

--Jeff


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/jeffcarter_music.htm

Bob Dorgan
2006-12-04 17:20:47 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
- guy
Guy, I've owned the Intellitouch and I currently have the Seiko. I like
the Seiko much better. It does a better job on the low notes, no problems
with the B string on my baritone and it's better built. My Intellitouch
baterry door split in two and the clamp got sloppy.
Steve Hawkins
The "noisy room" line in Guy's post makes me suggest leaning toward the
Intellitouch over the Seiko, but to be honest I prefer the Intelli over both
of them.
I currently own an intellitouch, a Seiko and the Intelli.
The Seiko was a gift.
They all work...they're all fairly accurate.
The Seiko and the Intelli both pick up the bass strings far better than the
Intellitouch.
The Seiko is probably better built than the Intellitouch, but I haven't had
any trouble with any of them.
The best of the three is the Intelli. It's accurate, works in a noisy
environment, picks up the bass strings quickly and seems to be durable.
Dorgan
Ed Edelenbos
2006-12-04 17:45:50 UTC
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Post by Bob Dorgan
The "noisy room" line in Guy's post makes me suggest leaning toward the
Intellitouch over the Seiko, but to be honest I prefer the Intelli over
both of them.
I currently own an intellitouch, a Seiko and the Intelli.
The Seiko was a gift.
They all work...they're all fairly accurate.
The Seiko and the Intelli both pick up the bass strings far better than
the Intellitouch.
The Seiko is probably better built than the Intellitouch, but I haven't
had any trouble with any of them.
The best of the three is the Intelli. It's accurate, works in a noisy
environment, picks up the bass strings quickly and seems to be durable.
Dorgan
Which Intelli do you have? The IMT-500?

Ed
Bob Dorgan
2006-12-04 18:15:48 UTC
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Post by Ed Edelenbos
Post by Bob Dorgan
The "noisy room" line in Guy's post makes me suggest leaning toward the
Intellitouch over the Seiko, but to be honest I prefer the Intelli over
both of them.
I currently own an intellitouch, a Seiko and the Intelli.
The Seiko was a gift.
They all work...they're all fairly accurate.
The Seiko and the Intelli both pick up the bass strings far better than
the Intellitouch.
The Seiko is probably better built than the Intellitouch, but I haven't
had any trouble with any of them.
The best of the three is the Intelli. It's accurate, works in a noisy
environment, picks up the bass strings quickly and seems to be durable.
Dorgan
Which Intelli do you have? The IMT-500?
Ed
Good question...I didn't even know they made two models.
I ordered it from Elderly and their site only shows the 500, so I guess it's
a 500.
What's the difference between the two?
Dorgan
Ed Edelenbos
2006-12-04 18:32:48 UTC
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Post by Bob Dorgan
Post by Ed Edelenbos
Which Intelli do you have? The IMT-500?
Ed
Good question...I didn't even know they made two models.
I ordered it from Elderly and their site only shows the 500, so I guess
it's a 500.
What's the difference between the two?
Dorgan
Duh... a little more research and I could have saved the question. The 900
has a transpose... what the heck I'd need that for is a real mystery. Cori
was asking the other day what I needed for Christmas. I guess if I can't
get my usual request for world peace, a tuner will do.

Ed
hank alrich
2006-12-05 02:12:11 UTC
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Post by Ed Edelenbos
The 900
has a transpose... what the heck I'd need that for is a real mystery.
It's not for you; it's for your capo.

HTH

--
ha
Bob Dorgan
2006-12-05 14:19:11 UTC
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Post by hank alrich
Post by Ed Edelenbos
The 900
has a transpose... what the heck I'd need that for is a real mystery.
It's not for you; it's for your capo.
HTH
--
ha
My capo can't read any tuner.
You must have a "special" capo.
Dorgan
Jenn
2006-12-04 15:55:00 UTC
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Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
I prefer the Intelli tuner as opposed to the Intellitouch. I've had
very good luck with it.

Jenn
Chris Rockcliffe
2006-12-04 17:50:20 UTC
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Guy Snape4/12/06 15:13
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
Hello Mr Snape,

Funny you should ask, because there's been a bit of discussion here about
tuners lately (six weeks ago thereabouts).

The Intellitouch PT1 (which has been around for about 9+ years now) is I
think American made (although it could be assembled in China for all I
know...) The PT2 is just as good for most guitarists and is about 27 quid in
the UK. Mine just got accidentally broken recently after 7-8 years service.

There is an entirely separate company called Intelli who make a range of
about 9 Korean-built electronic tuners and metronomes. Just how there could
be such similarity in brand names for almost identically functioning
products I'm not sure... ? curious...

In the last year or so, Intelli have come out with two self-contained
clip-on tuners called the Intelli IMT 500 and IMT 900 - and which everyone -
I read from and talk to - seems to think is better all round than the
Intellitouch or any other tuner. Intelli are surely building on the
Intellitouch products - but do seem to have improved on it.

The difference in electronic functionality seems to be the same difference
as with the PT1 and PT2 (ie. additional memory functionality for irregular
tunings) with the exception that the IMT 500 & IMT 900 and PT1 all have
backlighting - where as the PT2 doesn't. Although there is a price
difference between PT1 and PT2 there appears to be none between IMT500 and
IMT 900. Intelli are selling mega numbers of these things now.

I borrowed an Intelli 500 this Sunday in a loud session to check tuning and
I was amazed at how quickly I re-tuned using it. I clipped it to the
headstock and saw 3 strings OK and 3 slightly flat. Took all of 10/12
seconds to check it and tweak. The Intelli LCD needle pointer was faster
and easier to use than the Intellitouch LCD chevrons.

A few people on this NG have already got one of these Intelli 500 tuners -
Wade, Dorgan Mike in Oz etc. I am just about to buy one on-line. They cost
UK (and here's the rub) £17.99 (£16.99 + £1 p&p).

URL:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paradiddles-Music-Store_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQf
tidZ1QQtZkm

Something I learned from the US Intellitouch literature on-line is that the
best results are obtained by striking the string with a fleshy thumb (not a
pick) and plucking gently and if poss' - damping any other vibrating
strings. That goes for most electronic contact tuners. Apparently, most of
us pluck too loudly for the built-in contact mics to get a clean reading.

The E string reading as a 'B' problem is caused by vibrating the E
too loudly and causing the tuner to pick up the B harmonic. It's a useful
PDF download with a detail about unconditional warranty which would appear
to justify the higher cost. I think the details come in the box.

Second thing I noticed is that according to the wording of the PDF user
instruction sheet, from 2006 models (that's what it says) the Intellitouch
PT1 is *unconditionally guaranteed*. So if it packs up working you just
post it back also enclosing return postage/packing and they repair or
replace as appropriate.

The Intellitouch units have come down in price quite sharply and have
probably been cash cows for some time. The lifetime guarantee may be a
marketing ploy against the frontal attack from Intelli. That may end up
being another important difference between the 33-40 quid for one product
and the 17-22 quid for the other. But of course you can buy two Intelli for
every 1 Intellitouch.

CR
Misifus
2006-12-04 19:46:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
Guy Snape4/12/06 15:13
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
Hello Mr Snape,
Funny you should ask, because there's been a bit of discussion here about
tuners lately (six weeks ago thereabouts).
The Intellitouch PT1 (which has been around for about 9+ years now) is I
think American made (although it could be assembled in China for all I
know...) The PT2 is just as good for most guitarists and is about 27 quid in
the UK. Mine just got accidentally broken recently after 7-8 years service.
There is an entirely separate company called Intelli who make a range of
about 9 Korean-built electronic tuners and metronomes. Just how there could
be such similarity in brand names for almost identically functioning
products I'm not sure... ? curious...
In the last year or so, Intelli have come out with two self-contained
clip-on tuners called the Intelli IMT 500 and IMT 900 - and which everyone -
I read from and talk to - seems to think is better all round than the
Intellitouch or any other tuner. Intelli are surely building on the
Intellitouch products - but do seem to have improved on it.
The difference in electronic functionality seems to be the same difference
as with the PT1 and PT2 (ie. additional memory functionality for irregular
tunings) with the exception that the IMT 500 & IMT 900 and PT1 all have
backlighting - where as the PT2 doesn't. Although there is a price
difference between PT1 and PT2 there appears to be none between IMT500 and
IMT 900. Intelli are selling mega numbers of these things now.
I borrowed an Intelli 500 this Sunday in a loud session to check tuning and
I was amazed at how quickly I re-tuned using it. I clipped it to the
headstock and saw 3 strings OK and 3 slightly flat. Took all of 10/12
seconds to check it and tweak. The Intelli LCD needle pointer was faster
and easier to use than the Intellitouch LCD chevrons.
A few people on this NG have already got one of these Intelli 500 tuners -
Wade, Dorgan Mike in Oz etc. I am just about to buy one on-line. They cost
UK (and here's the rub) £17.99 (£16.99 + £1 p&p).
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paradiddles-Music-Store_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQf
tidZ1QQtZkm
Something I learned from the US Intellitouch literature on-line is that the
best results are obtained by striking the string with a fleshy thumb (not a
pick) and plucking gently and if poss' - damping any other vibrating
strings. That goes for most electronic contact tuners. Apparently, most of
us pluck too loudly for the built-in contact mics to get a clean reading.
The E string reading as a 'B' problem is caused by vibrating the E
too loudly and causing the tuner to pick up the B harmonic. It's a useful
PDF download with a detail about unconditional warranty which would appear
to justify the higher cost. I think the details come in the box.
Second thing I noticed is that according to the wording of the PDF user
instruction sheet, from 2006 models (that's what it says) the Intellitouch
PT1 is *unconditionally guaranteed*. So if it packs up working you just
post it back also enclosing return postage/packing and they repair or
replace as appropriate.
The Intellitouch units have come down in price quite sharply and have
probably been cash cows for some time. The lifetime guarantee may be a
marketing ploy against the frontal attack from Intelli. That may end up
being another important difference between the 33-40 quid for one product
and the 17-22 quid for the other. But of course you can buy two Intelli for
every 1 Intellitouch.
CR
So far as the Intellitouch warrenty goes, I think it's been in effect
for quite a few years now, ever since I got my first one, about 8 years
ago. However, I know this because I've had several problems with my
Intellitouch. The company has been good, but I've had to replace the
pads which were harmful to nitro finishes, replaced the battery cover
when it broke as they often do, and finally, the hinge on the clamp
broke. Onboard Research has been great, but I'd rather have fewer problems.

-Raf
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mailto:***@suddenlink.net
blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
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Chris Rockcliffe
2006-12-04 21:04:33 UTC
Permalink
Misifus4/12/06 19:46
Post by Misifus
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
Guy Snape4/12/06 15:13
Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
Hello Mr Snape,
Funny you should ask, because there's been a bit of discussion here about
tuners lately (six weeks ago thereabouts).
The Intellitouch PT1 (which has been around for about 9+ years now) is I
think American made (although it could be assembled in China for all I
know...) The PT2 is just as good for most guitarists and is about 27 quid in
the UK. Mine just got accidentally broken recently after 7-8 years service.
There is an entirely separate company called Intelli who make a range of
about 9 Korean-built electronic tuners and metronomes. Just how there could
be such similarity in brand names for almost identically functioning
products I'm not sure... ? curious...
In the last year or so, Intelli have come out with two self-contained
clip-on tuners called the Intelli IMT 500 and IMT 900 - and which everyone -
I read from and talk to - seems to think is better all round than the
Intellitouch or any other tuner. Intelli are surely building on the
Intellitouch products - but do seem to have improved on it.
The difference in electronic functionality seems to be the same difference
as with the PT1 and PT2 (ie. additional memory functionality for irregular
tunings) with the exception that the IMT 500 & IMT 900 and PT1 all have
backlighting - where as the PT2 doesn't. Although there is a price
difference between PT1 and PT2 there appears to be none between IMT500 and
IMT 900. Intelli are selling mega numbers of these things now.
I borrowed an Intelli 500 this Sunday in a loud session to check tuning and
I was amazed at how quickly I re-tuned using it. I clipped it to the
headstock and saw 3 strings OK and 3 slightly flat. Took all of 10/12
seconds to check it and tweak. The Intelli LCD needle pointer was faster
and easier to use than the Intellitouch LCD chevrons.
A few people on this NG have already got one of these Intelli 500 tuners -
Wade, Dorgan Mike in Oz etc. I am just about to buy one on-line. They cost
UK (and here's the rub) £17.99 (£16.99 + £1 p&p).
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paradiddles-Music-Store_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQf
tidZ1QQtZkm
Something I learned from the US Intellitouch literature on-line is that the
best results are obtained by striking the string with a fleshy thumb (not a
pick) and plucking gently and if poss' - damping any other vibrating
strings. That goes for most electronic contact tuners. Apparently, most of
us pluck too loudly for the built-in contact mics to get a clean reading.
The E string reading as a 'B' problem is caused by vibrating the E
too loudly and causing the tuner to pick up the B harmonic. It's a useful
PDF download with a detail about unconditional warranty which would appear
to justify the higher cost. I think the details come in the box.
Second thing I noticed is that according to the wording of the PDF user
instruction sheet, from 2006 models (that's what it says) the Intellitouch
PT1 is *unconditionally guaranteed*. So if it packs up working you just
post it back also enclosing return postage/packing and they repair or
replace as appropriate.
The Intellitouch units have come down in price quite sharply and have
probably been cash cows for some time. The lifetime guarantee may be a
marketing ploy against the frontal attack from Intelli. That may end up
being another important difference between the 33-40 quid for one product
and the 17-22 quid for the other. But of course you can buy two Intelli for
every 1 Intellitouch.
CR
So far as the Intellitouch warrenty goes, I think it's been in effect
for quite a few years now, ever since I got my first one, about 8 years
ago. However, I know this because I've had several problems with my
Intellitouch. The company has been good, but I've had to replace the
pads which were harmful to nitro finishes, replaced the battery cover
when it broke as they often do, and finally, the hinge on the clamp
broke. Onboard Research has been great, but I'd rather have fewer problems.
-Raf
Hi Raf,
The only reason I stated that was because it said on the website that from
2006 models onwards the warranty was an unconditional warranty. Maybe
they're making official their unofficial policy. Whatever - everyone seems
to say that aftersales service is good.

CR
Guy Snape
2006-12-04 20:58:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
A few people on this NG have already got one of these Intelli 500 tuners -
Wade, Dorgan Mike in Oz etc. I am just about to buy one on-line. They cost
UK (and here's the rub) £17.99 (£16.99 + £1 p&p).
Sold to the short man holding the beer glass.
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paradiddles-Music-Store_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQf
tidZ1QQtZkm
Thanks Chris, that's saved me 20 quid (or actually my parents - I'm
buying my own Christmas presents as usual).

Cheers,

- guy
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Chris Rockcliffe
2006-12-05 03:40:46 UTC
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Guy Snape4/12/06 20:58
Post by Guy Snape
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
A few people on this NG have already got one of these Intelli 500 tuners -
Wade, Dorgan Mike in Oz etc. I am just about to buy one on-line. They cost
UK (and here's the rub) £17.99 (£16.99 + £1 p&p).
Sold to the short man holding the beer glass.
Post by Chris Rockcliffe
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paradiddles-Music-Store_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQf
tidZ1QQtZkm
Thanks Chris, that's saved me 20 quid (or actually my parents - I'm
buying my own Christmas presents as usual).
Cheers,
- guy
Url for some better pics of the Intelli IMT 500 tuner I came across on my
cyber-travels...

<http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=384341&Main=3828
14>

CR
Guy Snape
2006-12-07 11:17:35 UTC
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Just got my intelli, what a bargain! Very quick and easy to use. Thanks
for the recs, Chris and Mike.

- guy
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Mike Brown
2006-12-04 22:38:24 UTC
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Post by Guy Snape
Any recs for tuners? I'm looking at the Intellitouch PT1 and the Seiko
STX1, both clip on ones so I can tune in a noisy room without messing
about unplugging leads. They both cost about 33 UKP - anything to choose
between them?
- guy
Have a look at the "Intelli", another clip on, several of us here are
using them, and like them.

MJRB
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