Woodstock, man

[jgoska]

I attended the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase, joining an
enthusiastic crowd of Audi-driving, denim-clad hippies leaning on
canes. I got to meet Erwin Somogyi, who told me the proper
pronunciation of his name, and also the even more proper Hungarian (or
some such) pronunciation, but unfortunately I forget both and will
just have to go on saying "Somogyi" until I die, with the footnote
that it is wrong. I was most intrigued by the guitar that Bruce
Sexauer, on a whim, built entirely - neck, back, sides and top - of
catalpa (Indian bean tree) wood. It had a folky, soulful sound, but
it was too quiet to stand off the fiddle-banjo-mandolin combo I am
sometimes faced with. I got to strum an EVG Adirondack and bubinga
guitar, the wood combination worked fine as far as I could tell. John
Osthoff's guitars were sweet sounding and beautiful to look at. After
the show I parked at the library to avoid the bumper-to-bumper, nice
Fall Saturday afternoon day-tripper traffic in the two-blocks-by-four-
blocks Woodstock downtown by Tannery creek, shopped the art galleries
looking for off-the-wall Christmas presents for my unsuspecting
friends, picked up some boutique organic bread and cake, and, feeling
that I had had the complete Woodstock experience, headed for home,
grooving on the patches of blazing Fall color - there was more than
one tree along the road that deserved to have a surplus Woodstock
artist sitting there painting its portrait. How was your Saturday?

[Tony Done]

Post by jgoska
I attended the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase, joining an
enthusiastic crowd of Audi-driving, denim-clad hippies leaning on
canes. I got to meet Erwin Somogyi, who told me the proper
pronunciation of his name, and also the even more proper Hungarian (or
some such) pronunciation, but unfortunately I forget both and will
just have to go on saying "Somogyi" until I die, with the footnote
that it is wrong. I was most intrigued by the guitar that Bruce
Sexauer, on a whim, built entirely - neck, back, sides and top - of
catalpa (Indian bean tree) wood. It had a folky, soulful sound, but
it was too quiet to stand off the fiddle-banjo-mandolin combo I am
sometimes faced with. I got to strum an EVG Adirondack and bubinga
guitar, the wood combination worked fine as far as I could tell. John
Osthoff's guitars were sweet sounding and beautiful to look at. After
the show I parked at the library to avoid the bumper-to-bumper, nice
Fall Saturday afternoon day-tripper traffic in the two-blocks-by-four-
blocks Woodstock downtown by Tannery creek, shopped the art galleries
looking for off-the-wall Christmas presents for my unsuspecting
friends, picked up some boutique organic bread and cake, and, feeling
that I had had the complete Woodstock experience, headed for home,
grooving on the patches of blazing Fall color - there was more than
one tree along the road that deserved to have a surplus Woodstock
artist sitting there painting its portrait. How was your Saturday?

Sounds like a good day out. I spent the day making a 2*P90 pickguard for my
bitsa strat, in the expectation of buying a couple of P90 soapbars in the
near future. The most useful Saturday I've had in months.

Tony D

[John Sorell]

Post by jgoska
I attended the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase, joining an
enthusiastic crowd of Audi-driving, denim-clad hippies leaning on
canes. I got to meet Erwin Somogyi, who told me the proper
pronunciation of his name, and also the even more proper Hungarian (or
some such) pronunciation, but unfortunately I forget both and will
just have to go on saying "Somogyi" until I die, with the footnote
that it is wrong. I was most intrigued by the guitar that Bruce
Sexauer, on a whim, built entirely - neck, back, sides and top - of
catalpa (Indian bean tree) wood. It had a folky, soulful sound, but
it was too quiet to stand off the fiddle-banjo-mandolin combo I am
sometimes faced with. I got to strum an EVG Adirondack and bubinga
guitar, the wood combination worked fine as far as I could tell. John
Osthoff's guitars were sweet sounding and beautiful to look at. After
the show I parked at the library to avoid the bumper-to-bumper, nice
Fall Saturday afternoon day-tripper traffic in the two-blocks-by-four-
blocks Woodstock downtown by Tannery creek, shopped the art galleries
looking for off-the-wall Christmas presents for my unsuspecting
friends, picked up some boutique organic bread and cake, and, feeling
that I had had the complete Woodstock experience, headed for home,
grooving on the patches of blazing Fall color - there was more than
one tree along the road that deserved to have a surplus Woodstock
artist sitting there painting its portrait. How was your Saturday?

Sounds like a good time. You should try to attend next year. I hear
Johnny put on a great show.

My Saturday was wet but uneventful.

What is EVG?

John

[jgoska]

Post by John Sorell
What is EVG?

East Virginia Guitars
http://eastvirginiaguitars.com/

They build mostly for 'grassers. I discovered this by ear at
Woodstock. I picked up one of their guitars, strummed it once, and
asked "You guys think bluegrass when you build?" The said "Yes we
do."

[John Sorell]

Post by jgoska

Post by John Sorell
What is EVG?

East Virginia Guitars
http://eastvirginiaguitars.com/
They build mostly for 'grassers. I discovered this by ear at
Woodstock. I picked up one of their guitars, strummed it once, and
asked "You guys think bluegrass when you build?" The said "Yes we
do."

Thanks!

Did you retune it to DADGAD and play some nice, sensitive, new age
bluegrass for them?

John

[jgoska]

Post by John Sorell
Did you retune it to DADGAD and play some nice, sensitive, new age
bluegrass for them?

No, I simply replied "I don't do bluegrass" and flung the guitar
from me. Speaking of DADGAD, there was this between myself and John
Osthoff regarding one of his pretty guitars:
Me: "What tuning is that guitar in?"
John: "I think it's in DADGAD."
Me: "It doesn't sound like DADGAD."
John: "Yes, I think it's DADGAD.":
Me: "No, it sounds too good."
John: "I'm pretty sure it's DADAGAD."

I see two possibilities here. Either John builds a really
wonderful DADGAD guitar, or he had the guitar in some other, good-
sounding, tuning and was trying to convince people that it was DADGAD
so that people would think that he builds a really wonderful DADGAD
guitar.

[Inyo]

Post by jgoska
How was your Saturday?

Practically perfect, indeed:

1) First and foremost--Notre Dame lost to Navy. As a life-long University of
Southern California football fan, I am elated anytime Notre Dame loses on
the gridiron field; the yearly classic intersectional game between USC and
Notre Dame dates all the way back to the 1920s when legendary head football
coaches Knute Rockne (ND) and Howard Jones (USC) began the rivalry.
Presumably, perhaps in an apocryphal story, the college football series
began when Rockne's wife persuaded him to escape the Midwestern cold and
play a November game every other year in southern California.

2) And previously undefeated LSU (Louisiana State University, for folks who
are unfamiliar with US College football) lost to Auburn.

3)And previously undefeated Oklahoma lost to Missouri.

4) And previously undefeated Iowa lost to Wisconsin.

Unfortunately, Michigan State remains undefeated. Need them to loose.

And, no, I am not an Oregon Ducks fan (the Eugene wonders will most
certainly climb to #1 BCS (Bowl Championship Series) and Associated Press
today). I am wishing and a-hoping that mid-major schools Boise State and TCU
(Texas Christian University--again, for those who might not be versed in US
college football) remain undefeated and eventually play for the BCS and
Associated Press national championships.

That way, perhaps, we can make completely irrelevant the current BCS bowl
arrangements and instigate formal meetings by the Powers That Be to
implement a long-overdue playoff system to determine the US collegiate
national champion..

We'll see what happens when the duckeroos meet my beloved University of
Southern California this coming Saturday at the Coliseum in Los Angeles;
unfortunately, USC is bowl ineligible this season--and next season, to
boot--due to National Collegiate Athletic Association sanctions precipitated
by a rather odious rules violation regarding former Heisman Trophy winner
Reggie Bush, who unceremoniously, in volunteer fashion, relinquished his
Heisman Trophy--given to the top college football player each year--in the
wake of the fiasco.

http://inyo1.110mb.com/acoustic/acousticinyo18.html
My double-tracked version of the classic, "House Of The Rising Sun." I'm
playing both rhythm and lead out of different channels on a 1970 Stella
12-string guitar. Originally recorded on an old 1970s-era Teac reel to reel
tape machine.

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author
unknown--oft-covered, most obviously, by a multitude of folks. An
arrangement by The Animals went #1 US Billboard for three consecutive weeks
during late Summer and early Fall of 1964, spending 10 weeks in the Top 40.
The song first appears in the US Top 40 on August 15, 1964.

[jgoska]

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author > unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by jgoska

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author > unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.

Pete

[MKR]

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by MKR

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.

There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.

Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.

Pete

[Wilbur Slice]

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Post by MKR

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.

Perhaps you mean the "Folksinger's Wordbook" by Irwin Silber? Iceberg,
Goldberg... what's the difference?

Silber died about a month ago - he was the guy who wrote the review of
Dylan's Self Portrait that started out "What is this shit?". And he
was also reputedly the object of Dylan's scorn in Positively 4th
Street.

But anyway - if you want a more authoritative source, try
allmusic.com.

[p***@yahoo.com]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:52:42 -0500, Wilbur Slice

Post by Wilbur Slice

Post by p***@yahoo.com

Post by MKR

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.

Perhaps you mean the "Folksinger's Wordbook" by Irwin Silber? Iceberg,
Goldberg... what's the difference?
Silber died about a month ago - he was the guy who wrote the review of
Dylan's Self Portrait that started out "What is this shit?". And he
was also reputedly the object of Dylan's scorn in Positively 4th
Street.
But anyway - if you want a more authoritative source, try
allmusic.com.

Yup - I misread it - no glasses on - thoroughly cloudy morning, gloomy
shed....:-)

P

[David Hajicek]

snip>>>

Post by Wilbur Slice

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.

Perhaps you mean the "Folksinger's Wordbook" by Irwin Silber? Iceberg,
Goldberg... what's the difference?
Silber died about a month ago - he was the guy who wrote the review of
Dylan's Self Portrait that started out "What is this shit?". And he
was also reputedly the object of Dylan's scorn in Positively 4th
Street.
But anyway - if you want a more authoritative source, try
allmusic.com.

Thanks for the reminder. I just dusted off my copy.

I looked up Positively 4th Street on Wiki. Pretty interesting. It appears
that his Bobness had a thin skin in those days. Which I guess I can
understand, having been young once. ;>)

To give the Devil his due, Dylan was deliberately trying to break from the
old Folk Song tradition and develop his own style. He just wasn't very
gracious with those that had helped him in the past but then criticized him.
Perhaps he burned his bridges on purpose. Maybe artists are that way. They
have enough issues with insecurity without listening to negative feedback.
And how can you listen and not have it affect your artistic direction? So
it makes sense. He just didn't need to be a jerk about it.

Dave Hajicek

[p***@yahoo.com]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:39:25 -0500, "David Hajicek"

Post by David Hajicek
snip>>>

Post by Wilbur Slice

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.

Perhaps you mean the "Folksinger's Wordbook" by Irwin Silber? Iceberg,
Goldberg... what's the difference?
Silber died about a month ago - he was the guy who wrote the review of
Dylan's Self Portrait that started out "What is this shit?". And he
was also reputedly the object of Dylan's scorn in Positively 4th
Street.
But anyway - if you want a more authoritative source, try
allmusic.com.

Thanks for the reminder. I just dusted off my copy.
I looked up Positively 4th Street on Wiki. Pretty interesting. It appears
that his Bobness had a thin skin in those days. Which I guess I can
understand, having been young once. ;>)
To give the Devil his due, Dylan was deliberately trying to break from the
old Folk Song tradition and develop his own style. He just wasn't very
gracious with those that had helped him in the past but then criticized him.
Perhaps he burned his bridges on purpose. Maybe artists are that way. They
have enough issues with insecurity without listening to negative feedback.
And how can you listen and not have it affect your artistic direction? So
it makes sense. He just didn't need to be a jerk about it.
Dave Hajicek

In my experience the successful ones have a certain something which
makes other people want to work with them.

In rock and roll it can be sheer ambition, working on the basis that
R&R is rest and recreation and is never going to change the world but
entertain it and hopefully take some of the stress away. - which is a
worthwhile ambition in itself, given the number of great songs that
come out of frustration, anger, lust, happiness and angst.

On the other hand some players and writers are just hot. Trev Ridney
got up at the UK meeting the other day and played a Little Wing which
would have had Hendrix crying in the bathroom. A more unassuming man I
will never meet again - go figure.

Pete (it takes all sorts)

[dick thaxter]

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Post by MKR

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.
Pete

Recently on American Folklife Center's Facebook status:

The American Folklife Center has one of the first recordings made of
the popular song “House of the Rising Sun.” The image below is of the
record sleeve which housed the original recording. Alan Lomax’s hand
written notes (on the upper right) identify the recording as “The
Rising Sun Blues,” the performer as Georgia Turner and state that the
recording was made September 15, 1937 in Middlesboro, KY.

Alan and Elizabeth Lomax recorded two other versions of this song
during their 1937 field trip. The Lomaxes created a “new” version by
combining Georgia Turner’s and Bert Martin’s lyrics and maintaining
the melody used by Turner. This comp...osite version was published in
Alan and John Lomax’s 1941 book called “Our Singing Country: Folk
Songs and Ballads.” The new version’s lyrics are used in subsequent
recordings by (among others) Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan, and the
Animals. For a complete history about this song we refer you to
“Chasing the Rising Sun: The Journey of an American Song” by Ted
Anthony.

[hank alrich]

Post by dick thaxter

Post by p***@yahoo.com

Post by MKR

Post by p***@yahoo.com
Whoever wrote it 'House of the Rising Sun' is out of copyright. Just
looked it up in Stiller and it's unatributed.
Pete

What is "Stiller"?

Stiller is a book I use if I need the words/chords for a folk song.
There's about 1000 songs in it, and all the ones which are still in
copyright have the names of the writer. My copy is getting very old
now but it's 'The Folksinger's Workbook' by Fred and Irwin Stiller.
Not neccessarily authorative but well researched and useful if you
want to record something - saves the bother of checking stuff out with
the PRS.
Pete

The American Folklife Center has one of the first recordings made of
the popular song "House of the Rising Sun." The image below is of the
record sleeve which housed the original recording. Alan Lomax's hand
written notes (on the upper right) identify the recording as "The
Rising Sun Blues," the performer as Georgia Turner and state that the
recording was made September 15, 1937 in Middlesboro, KY.
Alan and Elizabeth Lomax recorded two other versions of this song
during their 1937 field trip. The Lomaxes created a "new" version by
combining Georgia Turner's and Bert Martin's lyrics and maintaining
the melody used by Turner. This comp...osite version was published in
Alan and John Lomax's 1941 book called "Our Singing Country: Folk
Songs and Ballads." The new version's lyrics are used in subsequent
recordings by (among others) Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan, and the
Animals. For a complete history about this song we refer you to
"Chasing the Rising Sun: The Journey of an American Song" by Ted
Anthony.

Thank you, sir!

[Misifus]

Post by jgoska

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author> unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

I hear that Dylan had helped the Animals with their recording of it, but
I wouldn't swear that's accurate. If so, I'm not sure I would
categorize it as "Stolen".

However, It's certain that the Animals used the version Dylan recorded
which Dave Van Ronk said was his. I remember being surprised that it
wasn't the traditional tune and chords that I was familiar with.
(Remember, in those days "Authenticity" was a big deal.)


-Raf

[Mike Brown]

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Post by jgoska

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author> unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

I hear that Dylan had helped the Animals with their recording of it, but
I wouldn't swear that's accurate. If so, I'm not sure I would
categorize it as "Stolen".
However, It's certain that the Animals used the version Dylan recorded
which Dave Van Ronk said was his. I remember being surprised that it
wasn't the traditional tune and chords that I was familiar with.
(Remember, in those days "Authenticity" was a big deal.)
-Raf

I saw an interview with Rambling Jack Elliott a few years ago in which
he described returning from some event with Dylan.

They turned on the car radio, and The Animal's HOTRS came on. They both
said in chorus "Hey, they've stolen my version of that".

MJRB

[Les Cargill]

Post by jgoska

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author> unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...


--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author> unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.

[Mouldytone]

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>  unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

[p***@yahoo.com]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>  unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.

(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)

It's 0-8256.0140-1

and

0-8250.0146-1

I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.

A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.

Pete

[Mouldytone]

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>  unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

[p***@yahoo.com]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>  unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

Well, I'm not suggesting that the workshop book is authorative but it
does attribute songs where the authors could get a name for the
writers. If you can find a copy it's worth having for the songs alone.

Pete

[Wilbur Slice]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone
Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

Try allmusic.com or http://www.harryfox.com

[Misifus]

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author> unknown An> arrangement by The Animals went #1
The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.

It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.

-Raf

[dick thaxter]

Post by Misifus

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>    unknown An>  arrangement by The Animals went #1
       The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.
It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.
        -Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com

copywritten? Like it's under copywrite?

[Misifus]

Post by dick thaxter

Post by Misifus

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author> unknown An> arrangement by The Animals went #1
The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.
It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com

copywritten? Like it's under copywrite?

Okay, remove foot from keyboard.

-Raf

[Misifus]

Post by Misifus

Post by Misifus

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author> unknown An> arrangement by The Animals went #1
The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk
might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar
*http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.
It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com

copywritten? Like it's under copywrite?

Okay, remove foot from keyboard.
-Raf

note to self "Es derecho, no escrito."

[MKR]

Post by Misifus

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>    unknown An>  arrangement by The Animals went #1
       The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.
It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.
        -Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com

copywritten?   Like it's under copywrite?

The songs I write are all copyrotten.

[Mike Brown]

Post by Misifus

Post by Mouldytone

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author> unknown An> arrangement by The Animals went #1
The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan. Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune. Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar
*http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste...

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

Thanks Pete. I`ve been trying to find out if there is some sort of
official database for song copyright or, for my reasons in particular,
a way to find if a song is in the Public Domain or not. I`ve found a
couple of sites that say that`s what they do but they don`t seem to
be .org kinda sites so they may be legit or they may not. I find The
Carter Family songs, in particular, problematic `cause I know that
they recorded a lot of very old/ancient songs in a re-arranged and
copyrighted way at the urging of Ralph Peer but I`d like to find out
which of their songs are Public Domain.
Tony Moulder

One of the problems is that any song which predates the Carters or the
Lomaxes, probably doesn't exist today unless it's been "collected" or
recorded, and if it's been collected or recorded, it's likely been
copywritten.
It's one thing to say that Greensleeves is four hundred years old, but
it would be much more difficult to show that you'd learned it from an
un-copywritten source.
-Raf

It would probably be difficult to remember where you learnt it.

MJRB

[Wilbur Slice]

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone

Post by Mouldytone

Post by hank alrich

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Inyo
"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song,

author>  unknown An > arrangement by The Animals went #1
      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...

I like Doc Watson's version.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

I like Doc Watson`s version of anything. By the way Pete I`d like to
second MKR`s question. What is this 'Stiller' of which you speak with
regard to song copyright?
Tony Moulder

An answer to MKR should be on your screen soon (if not already).
S'cuse me whilst I trundle off to get the ISBN number.
(Pete Trundles off to the shed.....)
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1

Didja also check the title and the name of the author?

Post by p***@yahoo.com
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.

http://tinyurl.com/2g2pn8p

Post by p***@yahoo.com
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

[David Hajicek]

Post by Wilbur Slice

Post by p***@yahoo.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT), Mouldytone
It's 0-8256.0140-1
and
0-8250.0146-1

Didja also check the title and the name of the author?

Post by p***@yahoo.com
I have no idea if it's still in print - my copy is from 1973, so there
will be a lot of stuff which has gone out of copyright since then. You
might find it on Amazon or somewhere.

http://tinyurl.com/2g2pn8p

Post by p***@yahoo.com
A good source if you're working up a few numbers - everything from
19thC protest songs from Ireland to the blues.
Pete

It's still available at Amazon.com and Elderly Music.

Dave

[don j]

Post by Les Cargill

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author>  unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...
--
Les Cargill

Ok. This is the HOTRS story from Dave Van Ronk. He stole it from Josh
White, then Dylan stole it from him... he let Dylan camp at his place
for awhile in the very early 60s... he found it amusing that then
people would tell him he was playing Dylan's song... the Animals
probably got it from Dylan, who was touring at the right time to be
the influence... Josh White was an influence in England on the coming
rock star generation who started learning from the 1950s on due to his
guitar method which was put out by... yarrgh I can't remember...
probably the first book to touch on blues guitar playing
instruction... it had his other eclectic folkie stuff in it too, which
led to the odd mixture of folk and blues that came out of the ummm
Isles's... you can hear his influence on various Britrock souperstars
from that Led Zeppelin Jimmy P guy to Davy Graham to Paul Simon, who
learned from Martin Carthy who...
What A Wonderful World indeed... and now I feel the need to thank
everyone I learned from including Mr Hemperly from my hometown, and
Louis for that last...

[don j]

Post by don j

Post by Les Cargill

"House Of The Rising Sun" is of course a classic American Folk song, author>  unknown

An

arrangement by The Animals went #1

      The way I heard the story, Bob Dylan stole Dave Van Ronk's
version and the Animals in turn stole it from Dylan.  Van Ronk might
correctly considered to be the author of what we know as House of the
Rising Sun - there are many other versions of the song, that bear no
resemblence to the familiar tune.  Van Ronk, of course, died broke.

It thought it was one a' them "TRADITIONAL" type songs...
--
Les Cargill

Ok. This is the HOTRS story from Dave Van Ronk. He stole it from Josh
White, then Dylan stole it from him... he let Dylan camp at his place
for awhile in the very early 60s... he found it amusing that then
people would tell him he was playing Dylan's song... the Animals
probably got it from Dylan, who was touring at the right time to be
the influence... Josh White was an influence in England on the coming
rock star generation who started learning from the 1950s on due to his
guitar method which was put out by... yarrgh I can't remember...
probably the first book to touch on blues guitar playing
instruction... it had his other eclectic folkie stuff in it too, which
led to the odd mixture of folk and blues that came out of the ummm
Isles's... you can hear his influence on various Britrock souperstars
from that Led Zeppelin Jimmy P guy to Davy Graham to Paul Simon, who
learned from Martin Carthy who...
What A Wonderful World indeed... and now I feel the need to thank
everyone I learned from including Mr Hemperly from my hometown, and
Louis for that last...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

And yeah, Paul Simon weren't no Britrock souperstar... just a guy who
picked up a bunchostuff when he was being an American Folkie In
England.

[jgoska]

Dave Van Ronk. found it amusing that
people would tell him he was playing Dylan's song...

“Chasing the Rising Sun: The Journey of an American Song” is
available on Amazon.com. While the Publisher’s Weekly reviewer
seems underwhelmed, all the reader-reviewers enjoyed the book a good
deal. The author appears to conclude that the ur-“House” (which
wasn’t called “House” and was different) originated in Appalachia.
There are a number of known recordings that pre-date the Georgia
Turner one. Elsewhere, archeologists suggest that the title comes
from a New Orleans hotel/whorehouse that burned down in the early
1800s.

There is also a Wikipedia entry for “House of the Rising Sun,”
from which we learn that Bob Dylan recorded Dave Van Ronk’s version on
his (Dylan’s) first album in 1960, where he credited himself with
writing the song. After the Animals recorded this version years
later, they denied all knowledge of anyone named “Bob Dylan” or any
previous recordings, and insisted that this song about New Orleans is
a traditional British folksong, composed by British minstrel John
O’Larkinaboot, in 1385, and the Animals, like all British children,
had learned it at the knee of their old mum, who also never heard of
Dylan.

[David Hajicek]

Dave Van Ronk. found it amusing that
people would tell him he was playing Dylan's song...

“Chasing the Rising Sun: The Journey of an American Song” is
available on Amazon.com. While the Publisher’s Weekly reviewer
seems underwhelmed, all the reader-reviewers enjoyed the book a good
deal. The author appears to conclude that the ur-“House” (which
wasn’t called “House” and was different) originated in Appalachia.
There are a number of known recordings that pre-date the Georgia
Turner one. Elsewhere, archeologists suggest that the title comes
from a New Orleans hotel/whorehouse that burned down in the early
1800s.

There is also a Wikipedia entry for “House of the Rising Sun,”
from which we learn that Bob Dylan recorded Dave Van Ronk’s version on
his (Dylan’s) first album in 1960, where he credited himself with
writing the song. After the Animals recorded this version years
later, they denied all knowledge of anyone named “Bob Dylan” or any
previous recordings, and insisted that this song about New Orleans is
a traditional British folksong, composed by British minstrel John
O’Larkinaboot, in 1385, and the Animals, like all British children,
had learned it at the knee of their old mum, who also never heard of
Dylan.

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O’Larkinaboot might be a bit difficult to explain, seeing as New Orleans did
not exist in 1385. :>) Also, it appears Dylan's performance preceded the
Animals release.

But the basic tune could well have come from that time. A lot of tunes have
been recycled over the years. I learned the Animal's version. I liked the
note details, being a fingerpicker, not a strummer. I think I mingled the
words from several versions, not on purpose. It is just what happens.

Dave Hajicek

[Misifus]

Post by jgoska
After the Animals recorded this version years
later, they denied all knowledge of anyone named “Bob Dylan” or any
previous recordings, and insisted that this song about New Orleans is
a traditional British folksong, composed by British minstrel John
O’Larkinaboot, in 1385, and the Animals, like all British children,
had learned it at the knee of their old mum,

Keef had a mum? Who knew?

-Raf

[hank alrich]

Post by Misifus

Post by jgoska
After the Animals recorded this version years
later, they denied all knowledge of anyone named "Bob Dylan" or any
previous recordings, and insisted that this song about New Orleans is
a traditional British folksong, composed by British minstrel John
O'Larkinaboot, in 1385, and the Animals, like all British children,
had learned it at the knee of their old mum,

Keef had a mum? Who knew?
-Raf

Bet his mum knew. Whew.

[j***@my-deja.com]

This year, for the first time since the day that was described in the original post in this thread, I attended the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase. Those familiar with the contents of that original post will understand why, when at this year's (2015, for those interested in keeping track) Showcase, I went first to the booth of Ervin Somogyi and asked him to, again, tell me the correct pronunciation of his name. He said that it did not matter, and then ran off a lengthy list of the ways his various customers pronounce his name, and said that he, himself, has finally taken to pronouncing his own name in the way that a typical American might after seeing it in print, but, as far as he could recall, the correct, Hungarian pronunciation was SHOmo-Gee, with the sho and the mo run together and the gee (with a "g" as in "gun") kind of popping, out by itself, at the end. He mentioned that his family had considered Americanizing it to Smith, and I said it was fortunate that they had not, since Somogyi was a much better and more memorable name to put on the headstock of a guitar. A little more conversation along these lines and he revealed that Bob Taylor is of Russian descent, and before Americanization his family name had been, well, I forgot most of it, but is was "(something long and Russian)-shitski." I said the name change was fortunate for Bob, since the original was too long to put on a headstock, and shortening it by removing the long and Russian part might not have been a good approach. I'm sure all serious Taylor fans will appreciate this bit of trivia regarding the original name of their guitars.
Interestingly, the correct Hungarian pronunciation of Mr. Somogyi's first name is "Fernando."
I remember reading a story about a man who went shopping for a guitar. To help him pick out a good one, he brought along Tony Rice. In the guitar shop, Tony walked down a long line of Martin D28s and gave the D string of each one a single plunk. He then pointed to one and said "This is a good one, son." The man bought that guitar and it turned out to be an exceptionally fine example of a D28. I told this story to each of the luthiers at the Showcase (sparing only those, such as Al Carruth, who were engaged in intense conversations with potential customers when I was in their vicinity) in order to explain why I was giving the D strings of their guitars a single plunk. I also mentioned that the method wasn't working for me. Rick Davis of Running Dog Guitars offered a well-reasoned scientific hypothesis as to why this approach might allow Tony Rice to determine something about a Martin dread, something that was of importance to him, but it would fail to reveal the over-all quality of guitars in general. Unfortunately, I forget the details of this hypothesis, but I do retain a general impression that attendance at the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase was very informative and educational, and listening to the accomplished soloists who were demonstrating guitars in the adjoining room was a great pleasure. If you go, remember that while in Woodstock it is best to go easy on the Kool-Aid. I am having some flashbacks, but I am sure I will be fine, eventually.
http://www.woodstockinvitational.com/

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Post by jgoska
I attended the Woodstock Invitational Luthier's Showcase, joining an
enthusiastic crowd of Audi-driving, denim-clad hippies leaning on
canes. I got to meet Erwin Somogyi, who told me the proper
pronunciation of his name, and also the even more proper Hungarian (or
some such) pronunciation, but unfortunately I forget both and will
just have to go on saying "Somogyi" until I die, with the footnote
that it is wrong. I was most intrigued by the guitar that Bruce
Sexauer, on a whim, built entirely - neck, back, sides and top - of
catalpa (Indian bean tree) wood. It had a folky, soulful sound, but
it was too quiet to stand off the fiddle-banjo-mandolin combo I am
sometimes faced with. I got to strum an EVG Adirondack and bubinga
guitar, the wood combination worked fine as far as I could tell. John
Osthoff's guitars were sweet sounding and beautiful to look at. After
the show I parked at the library to avoid the bumper-to-bumper, nice
Fall Saturday afternoon day-tripper traffic in the two-blocks-by-four-
blocks Woodstock downtown by Tannery creek, shopped the art galleries
looking for off-the-wall Christmas presents for my unsuspecting
friends, picked up some boutique organic bread and cake, and, feeling
that I had had the complete Woodstock experience, headed for home,
grooving on the patches of blazing Fall color - there was more than
one tree along the road that deserved to have a surplus Woodstock
artist sitting there painting its portrait. How was your Saturday?

What! You missed Jorma!!! He was great. He said something like, "I always knew I'd get invited back to Woodstock."

[j***@my-deja.com]

Post by ***@aol.com
What! You missed Jorma!!!

I missed him once before. A friend of mine opened for him at a local place. On his way there, Jorma stopped at a toll booth at the state line, rolled down his window, released a vast cloud of pot smoke into the toll-takers face, got busted, and never made it to the gig. My friend went from being the opening act to being all the entertainment for the night, and had to endure a stoned crowd chanting "We want Jorma." He was a sensitive fellow, and I don't believe he ever really got over this experience.

[Ty Ford]

Post by j***@my-deja.com

Post by ***@aol.com
What! You missed Jorma!!!

I missed him once before. A friend of mine opened for him at a local
place. On his way there, Jorma stopped at a toll booth at the state line,
rolled down his window, released a vast cloud of pot smoke into the
toll-takers face, got busted, and never made it to the gig. My friend went
from being the opening act to being all the entertainment for the night, and
had to endure a stoned crowd chanting "We want Jorma." He was a sensitive
fellow, and I don't believe he ever really got over this experience.

Thanks for my first laugh of the day..

Regards,

Ty Ford


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