Value of a 98 Gibson CL-40 Artist vs 2001 Gibson SJ-200?

[Jack Dotson]

I was thinking of doing a two for one trade with my SJ-200 and one guy is
trying to tell me his 98 CL-40 is of equal value to my SJ-200. I offered
him my 200 for his 40 and a American Tele.

Anyhow, the 40 is hard to find info on, expect that it was replaced by the
Dove Artist. He quoted me a book price (which I don't have). However, I
looked at HC, Ebay, etc. and found the 2000 goes used between $1500-$2200.
All the new prices I found had it listed for $4100 retail and most places
selling it for ~$2799.

On the other hand the Newer Dove Artist was selling for about $700 less new.
To me it seems the Dove would actually be worth a bit more than the
discontinued model, and since the 200 sells for this much more I thought the
CL-40 alone was not a fair trade.

BTW, I like my 200 I was just trying to down grade my acoustic a bit so I
could still have a nice acoustic and get an electric too.

I know some of you guys are really into guitars and know allot about these
things, and I was hoping you could help. BTW, my 200 is in the burst finish
if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Jack

[Wade Hampton Miller]

Jack Dotson asked about relative market values of Gibson CL-40 and SJ-200
guitars.


Jack, I'm not the guy to give you any sort of accurate, up-to-the-minute market
value reports.

I'll just report that one of the finest guitars I ever played in my LIFE was a
brand new Gibson CL-40.

Surprised hell out of me. I've never been a big fan of Gibson acoustics, not
at all, but every once and a while one of them will reach out and SUCKER punch
you.

That CL-40 - which was a 1998, as it happens - was one of them.

But then the next one I played was fairly ho hum by comparison. So they vary.

My own advice would be that if you can play it and like it, strike whatever
kind of bargain you can with him. If you can get him to throw in a couple of
hundred bucks or an electronic tuner and a few sets of strings or whatever,
more power to you. But if the CL-40 is a good one, grab it, even if it's just
a straight across trade.

If it turns out to be a more useful instrument for you, then you will have made
the better trade, even if there's no obvious fiscal advantage.

Hope that makes sense.



Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska

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[Jack Dotson]

Yeah, Wade I get what your saying. I used to play Taylor's (which hardly
anyone on this group seems to like) and Larrivee's. I've never cared for
Martin's which allot of people really love.

I also here what you say about the Gibson's. I played some real stinkers,
and to be real honest, allot of them. However, as you said, every once in
awhile you can get a real jewel and my SJ-200 is one of them.

I was only trying to trade it because it's the only guitar I own and I was
wanting to get back into electric as well. I figured this guitar was worth
enough that I could trade and get a nice acoustic and electric for it. Yes,
it would be nice to be able to play it. But, this deal was coming via HC so
I was taking a chance.

Starting to think maybe I'll just put it on ebay and then just buy a new
acoustic and electric outright.

Thanks for your time and response.

Jack

Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Jack Dotson asked about relative market values of Gibson CL-40 and SJ-200
guitars.
Jack, I'm not the guy to give you any sort of accurate, up-to-the-minute market
value reports.
I'll just report that one of the finest guitars I ever played in my LIFE was a
brand new Gibson CL-40.
Surprised hell out of me. I've never been a big fan of Gibson acoustics, not
at all, but every once and a while one of them will reach out and SUCKER punch
you.
That CL-40 - which was a 1998, as it happens - was one of them.
But then the next one I played was fairly ho hum by comparison. So they vary.
My own advice would be that if you can play it and like it, strike whatever
kind of bargain you can with him. If you can get him to throw in a couple of
hundred bucks or an electronic tuner and a few sets of strings or whatever,
more power to you. But if the CL-40 is a good one, grab it, even if it's just
a straight across trade.
If it turns out to be a more useful instrument for you, then you will have made
the better trade, even if there's no obvious fiscal advantage.
Hope that makes sense.
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
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[Mike Rickard]

Post by Jack Dotson
I was thinking of doing a two for one trade with my SJ-200 and one guy is
trying to tell me his 98 CL-40 is of equal value to my SJ-200. I offered
him my 200 for his 40 and a American Tele.
Anyhow, the 40 is hard to find info on, expect that it was replaced by the
Dove Artist. He quoted me a book price (which I don't have). However, I
looked at HC, Ebay, etc. and found the 2000 goes used between $1500-$2200.
All the new prices I found had it listed for $4100 retail and most places
selling it for ~$2799.
On the other hand the Newer Dove Artist was selling for about $700 less new.
To me it seems the Dove would actually be worth a bit more than the
discontinued model, and since the 200 sells for this much more I thought the
CL-40 alone was not a fair trade.
BTW, I like my 200 I was just trying to down grade my acoustic a bit so I
could still have a nice acoustic and get an electric too.
I know some of you guys are really into guitars and know allot about these
things, and I was hoping you could help. BTW, my 200 is in the burst finish
if that makes a difference.
Thanks,
Jack

Jack, you don't give the year for your J-200, but I'd consider a recent
model in excellent condition to be about $2000, while I'd place the CL-40 at
about $1400, based on some search results.
Mike

[Jack Dotson]

Hey Mike, thanks for your time. Mine is a 2001 and it's got a few minor
surface marks (I'm not a collector, I play my guitars) so I figure it's
about a 8 on a 10 scale. So I figure $1700 was very reasonable. I thought
the CL-40 was worth ~ $1100-$1200 so I'm a little lower here too. But the
money difference between the two seems to be about the same. His Tele is
worth $500 to $600 so I thought both for the 200 was a pretty close?

Thanks again. Your response help support my research, and I can use this to
show him as he insist both sell for exactly the same price.

Post by Mike Rickard
Jack, you don't give the year for your J-200, but I'd consider a recent
model in excellent condition to be about $2000, while I'd place the CL-40 at
about $1400, based on some search results.
Mike

[Fred Shrimer]

Hi Jack.

I think your reasoning, both in this initial post and the other replies
to others so far, is pretty accurate.

Your used 01 SJ-200 may/should be worth somewhere in the $1500 - 2000
range, with about $1700-1750 being a good average value, assuming it's
in good condition and no 'issues'.

The CL-40, which incidentally I agree with other comments here can be a
great guitar, and even though it may be a great guitar, is NOT worth
what a used SJ-200 is worth. Whoever trades you a CL-40 straight across
for an SJ-200 is getting the lion's share of the good deal here.

CL-40s:
http://www.gbase.com/gearlist/guitar_picture.asp?guitar=508894
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SJ-200s:
http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/20U-8633.htm
http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/20U-8553.htm
http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/20U-8570.htm

*However*.

CL-40s, and their cutaway cousin CL-45s, *are* less common than SJ-200
models are, and to me, that relative scarcity would be the only possible
justification that I could imagine which would prompt any consideration
for a straight trade.

Even then, I would be very hard pressed to do so.

If I were in your position, I would angle for a trade *plus* some cash
or, as you've noted, a two-for-one guitar trade.

That SJ-200 is simply worth more than the CL-40, and by your own words,
it's a fine-sounding guitar. You should expect to receive a deal/trade
which recognizes its worth.

Fred

Post by Jack Dotson
I was thinking of doing a two for one trade with my SJ-200 and one guy is
trying to tell me his 98 CL-40 is of equal value to my SJ-200. I offered
him my 200 for his 40 and a American Tele.
Anyhow, the 40 is hard to find info on, expect that it was replaced by the
Dove Artist. He quoted me a book price (which I don't have). However, I
looked at HC, Ebay, etc. and found the 2000 goes used between $1500-$2200.
All the new prices I found had it listed for $4100 retail and most places
selling it for ~$2799.
On the other hand the Newer Dove Artist was selling for about $700 less new.
To me it seems the Dove would actually be worth a bit more than the
discontinued model, and since the 200 sells for this much more I thought the
CL-40 alone was not a fair trade.
BTW, I like my 200 I was just trying to down grade my acoustic a bit so I
could still have a nice acoustic and get an electric too.
I know some of you guys are really into guitars and know allot about these
things, and I was hoping you could help. BTW, my 200 is in the burst finish
if that makes a difference.
Thanks,
Jack

[Tom from Texas]

hey, Shrimey, did ya catch the thread askin' about the Gibson HG-1? I refered
him to our local Gibson expert....yall truly.

Tom from Texas

[Fred Shrimer]

I don't know a thing about Hawaiian Guitars, and I don't even recognize
the HG-1 designation.

Sorry.

Fred

Post by Tom from Texas
hey, Shrimey, did ya catch the thread askin' about the Gibson HG-1? I refered
him to our local Gibson expert....yall truly.
Tom from Texas

[Joe Jordan]

Post by Fred Shrimer
I don't know a thing about Hawaiian Guitars, and I don't even recognize
the HG-1 designation.
Sorry.

I'm sorry, but this is NOT acceptable.

We expect you to be able to answer ALL of our Gibson-related questions,
accurately and without delay.

If you can't do any better than this, we may have to replace you.

Sincerely,
Joe

[Mike Rickard]

We expect you (Fred Shrimer) to be able to answer ALL of our

Gibson-related questions, accurately and without delay.

If you can't do any better than this, we may have to replace you.
Sincerely,
Joe

And I'm just waitin' for my chance to be the RMMGA Gibson expert, so shape
up Fred!
Mike Everybody's an Expert at Something Rickard