Malaguena vs Granada

[David Hajicek]

Does anybody know the history behind this / these songs?

I get the impression that Malaguena is a rip-off of a flamenco folk tune and
that Granada is a rip-off of Malaguena?

In any case, the two seem awfully similar and I have confusion in trying to
separate them musically.

Your thoughts?

Dave Hajicek

[r***@cloudnet.com]

There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.

As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.

Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.

Rummaging around Google and YouTube unearthed these:

Malaguena by Jose Feliciano:

Granada guitar reduction: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9

Malaguena Salerosa:

Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

[betsey]

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
Granada guitar reduction:http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9
Malaguena http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

if i'm not mistaken, both are really "generic" terms for dance
types....but, i have a lesson with my teacher this am, and i will ask
her!

also, if you'd like a simple malaquena, i have a very nice version....

betsey

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Post by betsey

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I
suspect that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces
but Lara's "Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always
sounded quite distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the
1930s) has a definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first
version I can recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter
arrangement). "Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona
might have copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose
http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
Granada guitar

reduction:http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9

Post by betsey

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
Malaguena http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

if i'm not mistaken, both are really "generic" terms for dance
types....but, i have a lesson with my teacher this am, and i will ask
her!
also, if you'd like a simple malaquena, i have a very nice version....

Do you play my Fandango, in the "Seven Easy Pieces"? daveA

[betsey]

Post by r***@cloudnet.com

Post by betsey

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I
suspect that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces
but Lara's "Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always
sounded quite distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the
1930s) has a definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first
version I can recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter
arrangement). "Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona
might have copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose
http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
Granada guitar

reduction:http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9

Post by betsey

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
Malaguena http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

if i'm not mistaken, both are really "generic" terms for dance
types....but, i have a lesson with my teacher this am, and i will ask
her!
also, if you'd like a simple malaquena, i have a very nice version....

Do you play my Fandango, in the "Seven Easy Pieces"? daveA
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no i havent...was thinking about a version (can't remember who did the
arrangement) in one of my books.....

betsey

[betsey]

Post by betsey

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
Granada guitar reduction:http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9
Malaguena http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

if i'm not mistaken, both are really "generic" terms for dance
types....but, i have a lesson with my teacher this am, and i will ask
her!
also, if you'd like a simple malaquena, i have a very nice version....
betsey- Hide quoted text -
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hey, back from lessons...

kathleen was not familiar with the "term" granada, and came to the
conclusion as i did...it's the name of a piece, correct?

but Malaquena originally was a type of dance....there are many
different "versions" but all have three things in common-meter, tempo
and "character". in a malaguena, it's fast-slow-fast.

Hope this is not too esoteric.

betsey

[The World Wide Wade]

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.

On the latter I strongly suggest "Malaguena Salerosa" by Trio los
Paraguayos, just three guys and their voices and guitars, no bullshit,
the real thing. (itunes has it I think)

[Misifus]

Post by The World Wide Wade

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.

On the latter I strongly suggest "Malaguena Salerosa" by Trio los
Paraguayos, just three guys and their voices and guitars, no bullshit,
the real thing. (itunes has it I think)

Trio Low Panchos does an excellent rendering too. I don't know whether
iTunes has them or not, but I've got a bunch of their recordings at home.

-Raf

[Sikora Family]

Post by Misifus
Trio Low Panchos does an excellent rendering too. I don't know whether
iTunes has them or not, but I've got a bunch of their recordings at home.
-Raf

I know it is ONLY a typo, but it struck me as funny that they are "low"
Ponchos. As opposed to?

Charlie (I have some of their recordings too) Sikora :)

[Misifus]

Post by Sikora Family

Post by Misifus
Trio Low Panchos does an excellent rendering too. I don't know
whether iTunes has them or not, but I've got a bunch of their
recordings at home.
-Raf

I know it is ONLY a typo, but it struck me as funny that they are "low"
Ponchos. As opposed to?
Charlie (I have some of their recordings too) Sikora :)

Have you ever noticed how the "s" and the "w" are real close to each
other? <g>

-Raf

[Mike Brown]

Post by Misifus

Post by Sikora Family

Post by Misifus
Trio Low Panchos does an excellent rendering too. I don't know
whether iTunes has them or not, but I've got a bunch of their
recordings at home.
-Raf

I know it is ONLY a typo, but it struck me as funny that they are
"low" Ponchos. As opposed to?
Charlie (I have some of their recordings too) Sikora :)

Have you ever noticed how the "s" and the "w" are real close to each
other? <g>
-Raf

Yes I have that sort of trouble too.

You'd think that a bloke who can coordinate fretting and picking would
have better motor skills wouldn't yopu (now that's one of my favourites).

MJRB

[John Holbrook]

Post by Mike Brown

Post by Misifus

Post by Sikora Family

Post by Misifus
Trio Low Panchos does an excellent rendering too. I don't know
whether iTunes has them or not, but I've got a bunch of their
recordings at home.
-Raf

I know it is ONLY a typo, but it struck me as funny that they are
"low" Ponchos. As opposed to?
Charlie (I have some of their recordings too) Sikora :)

Have you ever noticed how the "s" and the "w" are real close to each
other? <g>
-Raf

Yes I have that sort of trouble too.
You'd think that a bloke who can coordinate fretting and picking would
have better motor skills wouldn't yopu (now that's one of my favourites).
MJRB

Wow! You can coordinate fretting and picking? I'm impressed!

John
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[David Hajicek]

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose Feliciano: http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9
Malaguena Salerosa: http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

Thank you. I guess a lot of my confusion stems from (as in your example)
what appears to be the use of Malaguena as the lead-in to the song Granada.
Once into the actual song portion, the tune is significantly different.
There also appear to be variations on Malaguena also.

I thought Jose Feliciano's version was pretty amazing. Apparently he is
still performing actively.

Betsey I could use an easy version. Jose is a little hard to keep up with.
;>)

Dave Hajicek

[r***@cloudnet.com]

I thought Jose Feliciano's version was pretty amazing. Apparently he is still performing actively.

There are some nice mentions of Feliciano in Dave Van Ronk's
posthumous memoir/history The Mayor of MacDougal Street--apparently he
was a terrific player from the git-go, back in the days of the Great
Folk Scare. (In fact, I highly recommend the book, assembled and
completed by Elijah Wald, on general principles--Dave was a wise and
funny guy, and the story is quite compelling.)

[betsey]

Post by David Hajicek

Post by r***@cloudnet.com
There are at least two tunes by each of those titles, though I suspect
that the ones you're thinking of are not the Albeniz pieces but Lara's
"Granada" and Lecuona's "Malaguena." These two always sounded quite
distinct to me, and "Granada" (which was written in the 1930s) has a
definite big-pop-tune/show-stopper vibe (the first version I can
recall hearing is a flamboyant Hugo Winterhalter arrangement).
"Malaguena" sounds closer to a folk tune, and Lecuona might have
copped some of the melody from folk sources.
As for similarities, I think they both might qualify as
fandangos--"Granada" certainly sounds like one to me, though there
might be distinctions that I'm too unschooled in Spanish genres to
get.
Just to make things interesting, there's also "Malaguena Salerosa," a
mariachi-style song that is apparently no kin to either of the other
Malguenas.
Malaguena by Jose http://youtu.be/LFvqmIi9Ymc
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=672791&vid=534012&b=9
Malaguena http://youtu.be/SCISat2lUTo
Ain't the web fun to rummage through?

Thank you. I guess a lot of my confusion stems from (as in your example)
what appears to be the use of Malaguena as the lead-in to the song Granada.
Once into the actual song portion, the tune is significantly different.
There also appear to be variations on Malaguena also.
I thought Jose Feliciano's version was pretty amazing. Apparently he is
still performing actively.
Betsey I could use an easy version. Jose is a little hard to keep up with.
;>)
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dave--

let me see how clearly it comes out if i scan it. if not, i'll drop
it in the mail to you.....

betsey