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Wade Hampton Miller
2004-05-23 21:40:27 UTC
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Here's an interesting essay, from the May 20, 2004 issue of the LA Times:

COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
Crispin Sartwell teaches political science at Dickinson College in Carlisle,
Pa.

May 20, 2004

The other day, our 16-year-old son, struggling with his homework, asked his
mother this question: "Do you know how many paragraphs an American history
essay is supposed to have?"

The answer, of course, is one. Or seven. Or 700. Whatever.

But that is not what he has been taught; he's been told there's a correct
number. Once I was working with him on an essay and he told me we needed
exactly three arguments. No more, no fewer, although he did not know yet what
they might be.

Today's educational establishment is making actual illiteracy look good, like
an act of humanity and rebellion. Writing, which ought to nurture and give
shape to thought, is instead being used to pound it into a powder and then
reconstitute it into gruel.

The thoroughly modern grade-A public-school prose style is not creative or
interesting enough even to be wrong. The people who create and enforce the
templates are, not to put too fine a point on it, people without understanding
or imagination, lobotomized weasels for whom any effort of thought exceeds
their strength. I recently read one of the many boilerplate descriptions of how
students should write their essays. "The penultimate sentence," it said,
"should restate your basic thesis of the essay." Well, who says? And why?

The teaching of writing as a machine procedure gains momentum by the day. In
Indiana this year, the junior-year English essay will be graded by computer,
and similar experiments have been tried in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and
Oregon. The SAT and the ACT are planning to test the new computer-grading
software as well. That is a reductio ad absurdum of the entire idea of
learning. If this is knowledge, then truth and beauty reside only in ignorance.

Vantage Learning, which makes the writing-assessment software called
Intellimetric, claims that it "shows more reliable and more consistent results
across samples than human expert scorers." Of course "reliable" entails
"accurate," and I daresay there is no way to establish that without begging all
possible questions.

More to the point, perhaps, machines are cheaper: It costs perhaps $5 for a
human being to evaluate an essay, $1 for a machine. And while it takes five to
10 minutes for a human to score an essay, the computer can apparently do it in
two seconds.

The actual procedures that the software employs are presumably proprietary. But
the dimensions that Intellimetric evaluates are these: (1) focus and unity; (2)
development and elaboration; (3) organization and structure; (4) sentence
structure; (5) mechanics and conventions.

One can imagine the way a computer assesses such things: The repetition of a
given word, for example, helps constitute unity, and the penultimate sentence
had better recapitulate the introduction in pretty much the same, recognizable
terms. There are to be three "supporting" paragraphs, and the relation of the
body of each to its "topic sentence" might again be assessed by word
repetition. "Development and elaboration" might, for example, be proportional
to the length of words, or of sentences.

The only real argument for the quality of the software is that it is "more
reliable and accurate" than human evaluators. But the human evaluators have
already transformed themselves into Intellimetric software: These are the
military sheep — their minds both rigid and woolly — who invented and
enforce the mind-numbing five-paragraph essay form.

Every child in the United States, more or less, is being taught to write and to
think in this way. I teach these kids when they reach college. I try to tell
them that the idea that there is some specifiable way to write an essay is just
hoo-ha made up by some bureaucrat in 1987. This makes them nervous.

I am not particularly concerned about the youth of today; if the world goes to
hell I don't really care. But I do care about coming to the middle of a
semester and being forced, in order to make a living, to read 35 five-page
papers written by thoroughly fried lamb chops whose writing style has been
nurtured over the years by a computer.

Obviously, if your no-child-left-behind funds depend on your test scores, you
will teach your kids to write essays that move a computer to tears. But the
idea that computers can grade essays in the first place is one that could only
have occurred to people who have no idea how to write or how to read, people
whose existence is redundant and hence indefensible: in short, the people who
administer the education of our children.

Feed THAT into your computer, chump.

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Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska

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don hindenach
2004-05-23 22:40:55 UTC
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{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
--
-don hindenach-
donh at audiosys dot com
JD
2004-05-23 22:58:49 UTC
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Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
In a world where mom and dad are both working to put gas in the SUV not all
of us can afford to be sent off to the Jesuits for an education. I'm not
surprised either. Parents don't give a crap and the average SAT score of
education majors has dropped from slightly above aveage to below 25%.

JD
misifus
2004-05-24 04:07:39 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
In a world where mom and dad are both working to put gas in the SUV not all
of us can afford to be sent off to the Jesuits for an education. I'm not
surprised either. Parents don't give a crap and the average SAT score of
education majors has dropped from slightly above aveage to below 25%.
JD
You know, JD, we in Education are aware of this, too. I'm not
sure what to do about it other than to try to redirect some of
the many dollars spent on special programs into teachers
salaries. Here in Texas, starting salary for a teacher is about
$21,000, for an engineer, $50,000+. Can't argue with that.

-Raf
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Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@cox-internet.com
http://www.ralphandsue.com
JD
2004-05-24 04:18:23 UTC
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Post by misifus
Post by JD
Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
In a world where mom and dad are both working to put gas in the SUV
not all of us can afford to be sent off to the Jesuits for an
education. I'm not surprised either. Parents don't give a crap and
the average SAT score of education majors has dropped from slightly
above aveage to below 25%.
JD
You know, JD, we in Education are aware of this, too. I'm not
sure what to do about it other than to try to redirect some of
the many dollars spent on special programs into teachers
salaries. Here in Texas, starting salary for a teacher is about
$21,000, for an engineer, $50,000+. Can't argue with that.
I'm not so sure throwing money at the problem is the best answer. 30 years
ago when teacher's salaries were proportionately lower we managed to attract
smarter teachers regardless. I think it has more to do with the fact that
anyone with half a brain wouldn't want to put up with the brats that parents
send be taught (or babysat). Teachers around here make as much as a lot of
engineers do in 9 months and their health insurance is better.

JD
misifus
2004-05-24 05:36:50 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by misifus
Post by JD
Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
In a world where mom and dad are both working to put gas in the SUV
not all of us can afford to be sent off to the Jesuits for an
education. I'm not surprised either. Parents don't give a crap and
the average SAT score of education majors has dropped from slightly
above aveage to below 25%.
JD
You know, JD, we in Education are aware of this, too. I'm not
sure what to do about it other than to try to redirect some of
the many dollars spent on special programs into teachers
salaries. Here in Texas, starting salary for a teacher is about
$21,000, for an engineer, $50,000+. Can't argue with that.
I'm not so sure throwing money at the problem is the best answer. 30 years
ago when teacher's salaries were proportionately lower we managed to attract
smarter teachers regardless. I think it has more to do with the fact that
anyone with half a brain wouldn't want to put up with the brats that parents
send be taught (or babysat). Teachers around here make as much as a lot of
engineers do in 9 months and their health insurance is better.
JD
You're right about the stresses and obstacles that are put in a
teacher's way, but I'm not talking about throwing money at the
problem. There's too much money spent on education as it is.
I'm talking about where that money is going. Mostly the
increases in educational spending are spent on special programs
and administration.

FWIW, here in Texas, a classroom teacher cannot make what a
beginning engineer makes, even with local increments and after
topping out on the state pay scale - not even factoring in a 10
month working year. (School begins in the first or second week of
August and goes until the end of May or beginning of June.)

-Raf
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Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@cox-internet.com
http://www.ralphandsue.com
Lee D
2004-05-24 06:38:13 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
In a world where mom and dad are both working to put gas in the SUV not all
of us can afford to be sent off to the Jesuits for an education. I'm not
surprised either. Parents don't give a crap and the average SAT score of
education majors has dropped from slightly above aveage to below 25%.
JD
It's no surprise. I am currently in college and have made a few
observations:

The first is that the education majors are probably (my opinion) the least
intelligent group at the college. I'm not sure what is going on with that.
Throughout high school I had some very intelligent teachers, so it was not
always that way. Then again, there are some young teachers at area schools
that are getting very good results.

The next one is that the criminal justice majors are just ahead of the
education majors. My 2nd easiest class, Issues in Corrections, was the
hardest class most of the students in the class had taken. They complained
a lot. On a related note, a poll was taken of all criminal justice majors
at my college two or three semesters ago. The results showed that around
80% had used illegal drugs during the previous year and almost 70% continued
to use illegal drugs on a regular basis. Of course, my college, the Island
University, is probably more the exception than the rule... I hope.

Lee D
JOHNPEARSE
2004-05-26 07:15:04 UTC
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....and it's a lot easier for a government to control an ill-educated
population. Look at what happened in Germany in the thirties. Are we beginning
to see 'a new world order' I wonder?
John Pearse.
neil harpe
2004-05-26 17:37:03 UTC
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Hi John,

On this same topic, more or less...

Last summer my very close friend Max Ochs was "fired" from his volunteer
job as MC of out local outdoor concert series at Quiet Waters Park, here in
Annapolis. Somebody (obviously with some political clout) complained about a
comment Max had made during a concert.

Max was reciting poetry and mentioned that he was concerned about kids these
days not learning how to read very well. He said that the president was one
example. "Have you ever noticed that George Dubbayah often make long pauses
when he speaks?", Max said. "I have to wonder if he's having trouble
following the teleprompter."

Several days later, Max was told he could no longer be MC of the outdoor
concerts.

Neil Harpe
Post by JOHNPEARSE
....and it's a lot easier for a government to control an ill-educated
population. Look at what happened in Germany in the thirties. Are we beginning
to see 'a new world order' I wonder?
John Pearse.
Dick Thaxter
2004-05-26 18:22:15 UTC
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Post by neil harpe
Hi John,
On this same topic, more or less...
Actually I wasn't quite sure if it was on topic, but then I connected
"dubyah" and lobotomized weasel.

Dick Thaxter
Post by neil harpe
Last summer my very close friend Max Ochs was "fired" from his volunteer
job as MC of out local outdoor concert series at Quiet Waters Park, here in
Annapolis. Somebody (obviously with some political clout) complained about a
comment Max had made during a concert.
Max was reciting poetry and mentioned that he was concerned about kids these
days not learning how to read very well. He said that the president was one
example. "Have you ever noticed that George Dubbayah often make long pauses
when he speaks?", Max said. "I have to wonder if he's having trouble
following the teleprompter."
Several days later, Max was told he could no longer be MC of the outdoor
concerts.
Neil Harpe
Post by JOHNPEARSE
....and it's a lot easier for a government to control an ill-educated
population. Look at what happened in Germany in the thirties. Are we
beginning
Post by JOHNPEARSE
to see 'a new world order' I wonder?
John Pearse.
Dick Thaxter
2004-05-26 18:24:45 UTC
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Post by neil harpe
Hi John,
On this same topic, more or less...
Last summer my very close friend Max Ochs was "fired" from his volunteer
job as MC of out local outdoor concert series at Quiet Waters Park, here in
Annapolis. Somebody (obviously with some political clout) complained about a
comment Max had made during a concert.
Max was reciting poetry and mentioned that he was concerned about kids these
days not learning how to read very well. He said that the president was one
example. "Have you ever noticed that George Dubbayah often make long pauses
when he speaks?", Max said. "I have to wonder if he's having trouble
following the teleprompter."
Several days later, Max was told he could no longer be MC of the outdoor
concerts.
Neil Harpe
It's not so much the pauses or the expressionless delivery or even the
gaffes, but sometimes he makes a mistake that's just so apropos.

Very recently he was caught heading for his helicopter when he shouted
to a reporter, "I am disgraced by what happened, as we should all be" in
reference to the Abu Ghraib tortures.

No, Dubyah, you're disgraced, we're disgusted.

Dick Thaxter
Sleepy Fingers Jones
2004-05-26 21:49:08 UTC
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Post by Dick Thaxter
Post by neil harpe
Hi John,
On this same topic, more or less...
Last summer my very close friend Max Ochs was "fired" from his volunteer
job as MC of out local outdoor concert series at Quiet Waters Park, here in
Annapolis. Somebody (obviously with some political clout) complained about a
comment Max had made during a concert.
Max was reciting poetry and mentioned that he was concerned about kids these
days not learning how to read very well. He said that the president was one
example. "Have you ever noticed that George Dubbayah often make long pauses
when he speaks?", Max said. "I have to wonder if he's having trouble
following the teleprompter."
Several days later, Max was told he could no longer be MC of the outdoor
concerts.
Neil Harpe
It's not so much the pauses or the expressionless delivery or even the
gaffes, but sometimes he makes a mistake that's just so apropos.
Very recently he was caught heading for his helicopter when he shouted
to a reporter, "I am disgraced by what happened, as we should all be" in
reference to the Abu Ghraib tortures.
No, Dubyah, you're disgraced, we're disgusted.
Dick Thaxter
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.

P
Larry Pattis
2004-05-26 21:59:40 UTC
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Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.
P
This depends (IMO) not just on security/war issues, but on oil/gas
prices, and the overall economy/stock market, as well. Those are the
big-three, IMO.

Kucinich is the only one I have heard that speaks to me, but of course
he won't even make most state's ballots.

Crap, did I just contribute to a political thread...?

8-(
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Larry Pattis
LP "at" LarryPattis "dot" com
Guitar Odyssey
http://www.LarryPattis.com
Sleepy Fingers Jones
2004-05-26 23:01:11 UTC
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:59:40 -0700, Larry Pattis
Post by Larry Pattis
Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.
P
This depends (IMO) not just on security/war issues, but on oil/gas
prices, and the overall economy/stock market, as well. Those are the
big-three, IMO.
Kucinich is the only one I have heard that speaks to me, but of course
he won't even make most state's ballots.
Crap, did I just contribute to a political thread...?
8-(
There's been a marked lack of political threads recently. Over here
it's been Iraq Iraq Iraq all the f*****g time with a bit of asylum
seekers and the lack of National Health dentistry thrown in.

I suspect there's a bit of a political vacuum going on - Iraq is a
mess alright but I don't see how anyone can get away with saying
'O.K., We'll get the f**k out and leave the ragheads to it...'

I'm all for imperialism, meself - if it weren't for the oil, the
entire Middle East would still be in the Middle Ages....:-)

And they ought to be treated as such!

Pete
madgamer
2004-05-27 05:53:42 UTC
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Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:59:40 -0700, Larry Pattis
Post by Larry Pattis
Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.
P
This depends (IMO) not just on security/war issues, but on oil/gas
prices, and the overall economy/stock market, as well. Those are the
big-three, IMO.
Kucinich is the only one I have heard that speaks to me, but of course
he won't even make most state's ballots.
Crap, did I just contribute to a political thread...?
for shame! and after you said you wouldn't do that anymore.
Larry
Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
Post by Larry Pattis
8-(
There's been a marked lack of political threads recently. Over here
it's been Iraq Iraq Iraq all the f*****g time with a bit of asylum
seekers and the lack of National Health dentistry thrown in.
I suspect there's a bit of a political vacuum going on - Iraq is a
mess alright but I don't see how anyone can get away with saying
'O.K., We'll get the f**k out and leave the ragheads to it...'
I'm all for imperialism, meself - if it weren't for the oil, the
entire Middle East would still be in the Middle Ages....:-)
And they ought to be treated as such!
Pete
John D. Misrahi
2004-05-28 08:18:57 UTC
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Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
I'm all for imperialism, meself - if it weren't for the oil, the
entire Middle East would still be in the Middle Ages....:-)
And they ought to be treated as such!
Pete
Well, except for inventing a few odds and ends like the system of numbers,
the guitar, etc

john
JD
2004-05-27 01:59:53 UTC
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Post by Larry Pattis
Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.
P
This depends (IMO) not just on security/war issues, but on oil/gas
prices, and the overall economy/stock market, as well. Those are the
big-three, IMO.
Kucinich is the only one I have heard that speaks to me, but of course
he won't even make most state's ballots.
Crap, did I just contribute to a political thread...?
8-(
As long as we're at it, Kucinich and I are nearly twins on the
www.politicalcompass.org test, BUT it's way too important to get Bush out
than to waste a vote making a point. I'll hold my nose and vote for Kerry,
hoping he books a motorcade through Dallas.

JD
WA state Dean delegate
Leonardo
2004-05-26 23:26:20 UTC
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Post by Sleepy Fingers Jones
Post by Dick Thaxter
Post by neil harpe
Hi John,
On this same topic, more or less...
Last summer my very close friend Max Ochs was "fired" from his volunteer
job as MC of out local outdoor concert series at Quiet Waters Park, here in
Annapolis. Somebody (obviously with some political clout) complained about a
comment Max had made during a concert.
Max was reciting poetry and mentioned that he was concerned about kids these
days not learning how to read very well. He said that the president was one
example. "Have you ever noticed that George Dubbayah often make long pauses
when he speaks?", Max said. "I have to wonder if he's having trouble
following the teleprompter."
Several days later, Max was told he could no longer be MC of the outdoor
concerts.
Neil Harpe
It's not so much the pauses or the expressionless delivery or even the
gaffes, but sometimes he makes a mistake that's just so apropos.
Very recently he was caught heading for his helicopter when he shouted
to a reporter, "I am disgraced by what happened, as we should all be" in
reference to the Abu Ghraib tortures.
No, Dubyah, you're disgraced, we're disgusted.
Dick Thaxter
So...what's the chances of you lot voting out Dubya? My guess is he
plays national security as a last throw and gets a second term.
P
Elections? What elections.

The plan is to first suspend habeas corpus......they have already tested
the waters and are getting away with it...... declare national martial
law, and then suspend the elections...indefinitely.

Now, I don't really believe this will happen, but the fact that it's
even crossed my mind is bizarre enough.


Lenny Alcamo
Louis B
2004-05-27 05:30:19 UTC
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Since you raised the topic, even though this is not a political discussion
group and I'm a Brit, my two-pence worth is that for gawd's sake vote for a
candidate with some kind of political consciousness in the next US
Presidential elections. About the only person I can see with that in your
political landscape is John Kerry, Firstly, he can string words together
into a coherent sentence and secondly he has actually stood up for something
other than his family's and friend's financial interests.

OK, let the flaming begin! Or perhaps we can get back to some guitar-type
discussion...... like, what guitar does Tony Blair own and what style does
he play?

Louis
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William D Clinger
2004-05-28 15:09:24 UTC
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Post by Louis B
Since you raised the topic, even though this is not a political discussion
group and I'm a Brit, my two-pence worth is that for gawd's sake vote for a
candidate with some kind of political consciousness in the next US
Presidential elections. About the only person I can see with that in your
political landscape is John Kerry, Firstly, he can string words together
into a coherent sentence and secondly he has actually stood up for something
other than his family's and friend's financial interests.
I see little evidence that Kerry is conscious, let alone coherent,
but he does play guitar, whereas Dubya has no discernible interest
in any kind of music or culture.

Ordinarily that would be enough to convince me to vote for Kerry,
but the Doonesbury comic strip has endorsed Dubya, and it's hard
to ignore that kind of recommendation.

To be honest, I should disclose that I have become such a good
"friend" of the Bush campaign that they sent me a photograph of
Laura and Dubya with this personal inscription: "To William D
Clinger, Thank you for your early commitment and dedication as
a Charter Member of the campaign in Massachusetts. Grassroots
leaders like you are the key to building a winning team. Best
Wishes," signed "Laura Bush and Gyew Be". I guess Dubya had to
sign a lot of these photographs, and his hand got so cramped he
couldn't write legibly.

Will
Jeff Lowe
2004-05-28 16:49:56 UTC
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"William D Clinger" <***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
<snip>
Post by William D Clinger
To be honest, I should disclose that I have become such a good
"friend" of the Bush campaign that they sent me a photograph of
Laura and Dubya with this personal inscription: "To William D
Clinger, Thank you for your early commitment and dedication as
a Charter Member of the campaign in Massachusetts. Grassroots
leaders like you are the key to building a winning team. Best
Wishes," signed "Laura Bush and Gyew Be". I guess Dubya had to
sign a lot of these photographs, and his hand got so cramped he
couldn't write legibly.
Well, I hope you did the campaign the courtesy of sending back the
prepaid reply envelope. I was able to fit a full sheet of newsprint into
mine.

<EG>
Jeff

misifus
2004-05-23 23:53:02 UTC
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Post by don hindenach
{very scary essay snipped}
I am unsurprised, arngered, scared, and very very very sad to read
this. :-<
Having been on the inside, looking out, I am neither surprised
nor sanguine about the immediate future of education. On the
other hand, I do see individual students who are able to rise
above this sort of nonsense quite handily.

-Raf
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Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@cox-internet.com
http://www.ralphandsue.com
Randal Smith
2004-05-23 23:13:56 UTC
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(snipped)

Wade, I'd have to say that this is not only interesting, but accurate.
Check out the writings of John Taylor Gatto(www.johntaylorgatto.com),
Claire Wolfe (www.wolfesblog.com www.clairewolfe.com), and Vin
Suprynowicz (http://www.reviewjournal.com/columnists/suprynowicz.html)
for more. Do a google for homeschooling and you'll find all kinds
of horror stories.

Randal Smith alias Smitty the Kid
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www.i-s-o-p.com
"We have enough Youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?"
Dan Carey
2004-05-24 00:07:21 UTC
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Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
BIG SNIP HERE
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
And then, imagine the feelings when you're the parent of a child who's just
been told (by the SCHOOL PRINCIPAL) that he should just quit school because
he doesn't "fit in" with the rest of the students.
I'm STILL waiting for a response to my letter to the school board and the
principal.

Geezer
JD
2004-05-24 00:09:30 UTC
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Post by Dan Carey
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
BIG SNIP HERE
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
And then, imagine the feelings when you're the parent of a child
who's just been told (by the SCHOOL PRINCIPAL) that he should just
quit school because he doesn't "fit in" with the rest of the students.
I'm STILL waiting for a response to my letter to the school board and
the principal.
Geezer
Maybe the "liberty and justice for all" phrase they recite by rote every day
just hasn't sunk in?

JD
Mitch
2004-05-24 02:24:04 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by Dan Carey
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
BIG SNIP HERE
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
And then, imagine the feelings when you're the parent of a child
who's just been told (by the SCHOOL PRINCIPAL) that he should just
quit school because he doesn't "fit in" with the rest of the students.
I'm STILL waiting for a response to my letter to the school board and
the principal.
Geezer
Maybe the "liberty and justice for all" phrase they recite by rote every day
just hasn't sunk in?
JD
All these reasons and more constitute why we're homeschoolers.
With the abudance of alternative educational resources being produced
today, even a "lobotomized weasel" could give a child a better education
than they give at the Homogenization Stations.

As Paul Zane Pilzer wrote is a piece I read, public education has about
twenty years,
barring politicians making it more of a protected monopoly than it already
is.

Mitch
misifus
2004-05-24 04:09:26 UTC
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Post by Dan Carey
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
BIG SNIP HERE
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
And then, imagine the feelings when you're the parent of a child who's just
been told (by the SCHOOL PRINCIPAL) that he should just quit school because
he doesn't "fit in" with the rest of the students.
I'm STILL waiting for a response to my letter to the school board and the
principal.
Geezer
Dan, your address list for the letter should include the local
press. That will get their attention faster than anything you
can say, other than lawsuit, of course.

-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@cox-internet.com
http://www.ralphandsue.com
Mike brown
2004-05-24 07:59:26 UTC
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Post by misifus
Post by Dan Carey
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
BIG SNIP HERE
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
And then, imagine the feelings when you're the parent of a child who's just
been told (by the SCHOOL PRINCIPAL) that he should just quit school because
he doesn't "fit in" with the rest of the students.
I'm STILL waiting for a response to my letter to the school board and the
principal.
Geezer
Dan, your address list for the letter should include the local
press. That will get their attention faster than anything you
can say, other than lawsuit, of course.
-Raf
Yes, in circumstances like that I always circulate the letter pretty
widely, and at the foot of each one, put "copies to", and list the
recipients. Makes people cross, but it sure gets their attention.

MJRB
Michael Horsch
2004-05-24 05:30:47 UTC
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Interesting? The author indulges in a flaming rant against a technology
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
One can imagine the way a computer assesses such things: The repetition of a
given word, for example, helps constitute unity, and the penultimate sentence
had better recapitulate the introduction in pretty much the same, recognizable
terms. There are to be three "supporting" paragraphs, and the relation of the
body of each to its "topic sentence" might again be assessed by word
repetition. "Development and elaboration" might, for example, be proportional
to the length of words, or of sentences.
I don't know how the Intellimetric software works, but it's
completely pointless to write what he has written about it.
Perhaps it seems plausible, that a computer couldn't possibly
be doing anything but what the author imagines? Look at the
facts, the research, the results, the processes, not the
pointlessly imagined computations.

There is lots of active research in the area of understanding
language, and I dare say the author had better do a little
research rather than pretend to know how the systems happen
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
If this is knowledge, then truth and beauty reside only in ignorance.
My conclusion: there may be a reason to be concerned about
the education system, but this essay doesn't constitute one.

Mike
jc
2004-05-24 07:57:13 UTC
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 23:30:47 -0600, Michael Horsch
Post by Michael Horsch
Interesting? The author indulges in a flaming rant against a technology
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
One can imagine the way a computer assesses such things: The repetition of a
given word, for example, helps constitute unity, and the penultimate sentence
had better recapitulate the introduction in pretty much the same, recognizable
terms. There are to be three "supporting" paragraphs, and the relation of the
body of each to its "topic sentence" might again be assessed by word
repetition. "Development and elaboration" might, for example, be proportional
to the length of words, or of sentences.
I don't know how the Intellimetric software works, but it's
completely pointless to write what he has written about it.
Perhaps it seems plausible, that a computer couldn't possibly
be doing anything but what the author imagines? Look at the
facts, the research, the results, the processes, not the
pointlessly imagined computations.
There is lots of active research in the area of understanding
language, and I dare say the author had better do a little
research rather than pretend to know how the systems happen
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
If this is knowledge, then truth and beauty reside only in ignorance.
My conclusion: there may be a reason to be concerned about
the education system, but this essay doesn't constitute one.
Mike
I'm going to have to agree with Mike on this one. The fellow that
wrote the piece doesn't have a clue as to what's involved. To be
honest, it probably better that a computer is used to grade these
papers, as a computer, while subject to the mistakes of the
programmers (which can be easily corrected, when found), is at least
consistent. Much more than can be said of too many of today's
educators.
There is one other thing to be said for computers as educators...
they are patient, again something that can not be said of human
educators. There will always have to be humans around to help out but
computers ultimately running the whole show is not all that bad of an
idea. Consistency, patience, knowledge, lack of prejudice against
individual students (for whatever reason).... the perfect teacher.
Someday, anyway. I just hope they don't use Windows....
(;-))
Cheers,
jc
Mike brown
2004-05-24 07:54:37 UTC
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Post by Michael Horsch
My conclusion: there may be a reason to be concerned about
the education system, but this essay doesn't constitute one.
Mike
One only has to converse for a few minutes to an average product of the
public "education" system to be very concerned about the future
generations.

Even conversing with their teachers is not a great deal better.

I do agree that the parents are just as much to blame though.

I supervised an office of 14 people, technicians and draughtspersons (god
PC ruins the language doesn't it), quite a few of them admitted to not
owning a non technical book, and said that they never read for pleasure.

A child growing up in a house that doesn't have a good "library" is
starting with a huge disadvantage.

Only a tiny chip off the whole damn problem though.

MJRB
Steve Scott
2004-05-24 06:17:26 UTC
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***@aol.comHowdy says...
<snip>
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Obviously, if your no-child-left-behind funds depend on your test scores, you
will teach your kids to write essays that move a computer to tears. But the
idea that computers can grade essays in the first place is one that could only
have occurred to people who have no idea how to write or how to read, people
whose existence is redundant and hence indefensible: in short, the people who
administer the education of our children.
My wife has worked in public education for 20 years in New York and
Missouri, as a teacher, administrator, and now as a school counselor.
She tells me most of these outrageous and worsening problems are not
primarily because of the "uneducated educators", although that can be
part of it, but rather #1) Poor parenting (usually involving alcohol
and/or drug abuse); and #2) The fact that all children are now indeed
legislated into being educated "equally".

All public school funding is directly tied to formulated test scores.
The correct concept, that each child be educated to his or her capacity,
no longer exists. This is a societal condition; public education is
simply responding to the symptoms.

She's going into private practice as soon as she gets her license. These
kids (and their parents) need training and counseling, not formulas.

Steve
Terence
2004-05-24 08:14:58 UTC
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What decent news, it appears that the competitors for my job are going to be
less well educated than me.

Altogether now; 'always look on the bright side of life....'

--
Warmest Regards,
Terence

www.goodacoustics.com
www.goodacoustics.co.uk
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
Crispin Sartwell teaches political science at Dickinson College in Carlisle,
Pa.
May 20, 2004
The other day, our 16-year-old son, struggling with his homework, asked his
mother this question: "Do you know how many paragraphs an American history
essay is supposed to have?"
The answer, of course, is one. Or seven. Or 700. Whatever.
But that is not what he has been taught; he's been told there's a correct
number. Once I was working with him on an essay and he told me we needed
exactly three arguments. No more, no fewer, although he did not know yet what
they might be.
Today's educational establishment is making actual illiteracy look good, like
an act of humanity and rebellion. Writing, which ought to nurture and give
shape to thought, is instead being used to pound it into a powder and then
reconstitute it into gruel.
The thoroughly modern grade-A public-school prose style is not creative or
interesting enough even to be wrong. The people who create and enforce the
templates are, not to put too fine a point on it, people without understanding
or imagination, lobotomized weasels for whom any effort of thought exceeds
their strength. I recently read one of the many boilerplate descriptions of how
students should write their essays. "The penultimate sentence," it said,
"should restate your basic thesis of the essay." Well, who says? And why?
The teaching of writing as a machine procedure gains momentum by the day. In
Indiana this year, the junior-year English essay will be graded by computer,
and similar experiments have been tried in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and
Oregon. The SAT and the ACT are planning to test the new computer-grading
software as well. That is a reductio ad absurdum of the entire idea of
learning. If this is knowledge, then truth and beauty reside only in ignorance.
Vantage Learning, which makes the writing-assessment software called
Intellimetric, claims that it "shows more reliable and more consistent results
across samples than human expert scorers." Of course "reliable" entails
"accurate," and I daresay there is no way to establish that without begging all
possible questions.
More to the point, perhaps, machines are cheaper: It costs perhaps $5 for a
human being to evaluate an essay, $1 for a machine. And while it takes five to
10 minutes for a human to score an essay, the computer can apparently do it in
two seconds.
The actual procedures that the software employs are presumably
proprietary. But
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
the dimensions that Intellimetric evaluates are these: (1) focus and unity; (2)
development and elaboration; (3) organization and structure; (4) sentence
structure; (5) mechanics and conventions.
One can imagine the way a computer assesses such things: The repetition of a
given word, for example, helps constitute unity, and the penultimate sentence
had better recapitulate the introduction in pretty much the same, recognizable
terms. There are to be three "supporting" paragraphs, and the relation of the
body of each to its "topic sentence" might again be assessed by word
repetition. "Development and elaboration" might, for example, be proportional
to the length of words, or of sentences.
The only real argument for the quality of the software is that it is "more
reliable and accurate" than human evaluators. But the human evaluators have
already transformed themselves into Intellimetric software: These are the
military sheep - their minds both rigid and woolly - who invented and
enforce the mind-numbing five-paragraph essay form.
Every child in the United States, more or less, is being taught to write and to
think in this way. I teach these kids when they reach college. I try to tell
them that the idea that there is some specifiable way to write an essay is just
hoo-ha made up by some bureaucrat in 1987. This makes them nervous.
I am not particularly concerned about the youth of today; if the world goes to
hell I don't really care. But I do care about coming to the middle of a
semester and being forced, in order to make a living, to read 35 five-page
papers written by thoroughly fried lamb chops whose writing style has been
nurtured over the years by a computer.
Obviously, if your no-child-left-behind funds depend on your test scores, you
will teach your kids to write essays that move a computer to tears. But the
idea that computers can grade essays in the first place is one that could only
have occurred to people who have no idea how to write or how to read, people
whose existence is redundant and hence indefensible: in short, the people who
administer the education of our children.
Feed THAT into your computer, chump.
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Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
Remove the "Howdy" to reply...
Jonathan
2004-05-24 12:51:04 UTC
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Post by Wade Hampton Miller
COMMENTARY
The Lobotomized Weasel School of Writing
By Crispin Sartwell
Crispin Sartwell teaches political science at Dickinson College in Carlisle,
Pa.
The computer-graded essays is troubling, though the guy obviously doesn't
know very much about it. That makes it hard to trust the source.

If he's going to judge the entire educational system based on what his
teenage son thinks, he may as well have named his piece "Oh, Man, High
School Totally Sucks."

I don't think that teaching them the five paragraph essay style is such a
terrible thing when they're developing their writing skills. While a bit
mechanical and boring, it gives them a consistent way to write and
reinforces the idea that they need to have some type of organization in
their writing instead of just a run-on rant.

I know education's a complicated issue, but here's one more thing to
consider. If you've got kids in high school, ask if their history teacher
is a coach.

On a semi-related but OT from this OT thread... A good friend of mine is a
high school history teacher (non-coach), he recently caught a student
plagiarizing his entire final exam which is worth about 1/4 of his grade.
He caught him because as he was reading the paper, he noticed one short
phrase was blue and underlined... much like a hyperlink. He typed a
sentence into google and found the website where the entire paper was lifted
from. He hadn't even bothered to read it after he printed it.

Jonathan
Jonathan
2004-05-24 13:19:13 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
The computer-graded essays is troubling, though the guy obviously doesn't
know very much about it. That makes it hard to trust the source.
"Computer-graded essays _are_ troubling."

Sorry, I'm an engineer and all I read is technical manuals.

Jonathan
misifus
2004-05-24 14:18:43 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
On a semi-related but OT from this OT thread... A good friend of mine is a
high school history teacher (non-coach), he recently caught a student
plagiarizing his entire final exam which is worth about 1/4 of his grade.
He caught him because as he was reading the paper, he noticed one short
phrase was blue and underlined... much like a hyperlink. He typed a
sentence into google and found the website where the entire paper was lifted
from. He hadn't even bothered to read it after he printed it.
I should imagine the teacher might have suspected the paper was
plagiarized from the manner, style and ability of the writing.
Surely he had read some of this student's writing before,
hopefully some that had been written in class.

I've taught writing and spend the hours grading papers written by
sophomores and juniors in high school. Anything resembling
professionally written work would have stood out by a mile.

So far as students not reading what they've written, I had a
student turn in a rough draft which had been spell-checked, but
not proof read. It was hilarious.

-Raf
--
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Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@cox-internet.com
http://www.ralphandsue.com
Jonathan
2004-05-24 15:13:08 UTC
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Post by misifus
I should imagine the teacher might have suspected the paper was
plagiarized from the manner, style and ability of the writing.
Surely he had read some of this student's writing before,
hopefully some that had been written in class.
Yeah, to his credit he knew something wasn't right from the get-go. It was
just pretty funny/sad when he saw the actual hyperlink. Another clue
besides the writing style was that the sources he had listed seemed strange.
He gave the student a chance to come clean and asked him why that phrase was
in a different color and underlined, and why certain words were italicized.
The kid claimed it was just late when he was working on it and his word
processor was acting up. So later on the teacher did a google search and
printed out the website from which the text was lifted and asked the student
if it looked familiar. Then the student got his girlfriend to ask for
sympathy on his behalf because of his bad home life. It became pretty clear
the kid was going to remain unrepentant and blame everyone but himself.

Jonathan
William D Clinger
2004-05-24 15:27:10 UTC
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Crispin Sartwell is wrong to blame this on computers instead of the
Post by Wade Hampton Miller
Every child in the United States, more or less, is being taught to
write and to think in this way. I teach these kids when they reach
college. I try to tell them that the idea that there is some
specifiable way to write an essay is just hoo-ha made up by some
bureaucrat in 1987. This makes them nervous.
He's wrong about 1987 also. I was taught to write this way in 1972,
during my freshman year of college.

Although I was admitted to some top-notch universities, I thought
they were too expensive, so I matriculated at a small private college
I won't name here. It wasn't Bob Jones University, but it was run by
fundamentalist Christians and featured mandatory daily chapel that
often served as a pep rally for the Nixon campaign. It also churned
out a significant fraction of the teachers who were employed by the
southern state in which it is located.

By this college's own rules, I should have placed out of freshman
English four different ways, but they made me take an English
composition placement test anyway. Evidently I didn't know that a
one-page essay had to consist of exactly five paragraphs, etc etc,
because the undergraduate English majors who graded that test placed
me into their euphemistically titled course on remedial writing.

The professors who taught that course never saw a single one of the
students. They prepared a weekly two-page handout that presented
that week's ironclad rule for writing moronic prose and described
the exercise that we morons were to write following that rule.

Each of us morons was assigned an undergraduate English major as
our "tutor". We met with our tutors once a week, one-on-one. My
tutor delighted in telling me how badly I wrote, and reprimanded me
weekly for my lack of interest in learning how to write. She also
complained because I wrote big words that she didn't understand.
When I suggested she learn how to use a dictionary, she lowered my
grade for that week's assignment by one letter.

Each of the handouts began with some literary quotation. About a
month into the semester, the professors quoted Walt Whitman's "And
what I assume you shall assume" as though it were an authoritarian
directive. I could scarcely believe it. I completely ignored the
assignment for that week, writing instead a long essay that began
with "I loaf and invite my soul, I lean and loaf at my ease observing
a spear of summer grass" and proceeded to lampoon the college's
recruiting slogans by contrasting them with other quotations from
that same poem.

This made my tutor extremely happy. She smirked like Dubya as she
told me she had already spoken to the professor in charge about my
Whitman essay and general insubordination, that he wanted to see
me in person, and boy was I in trouble now.

The professor said he had read the essay I had written on "The
Iceman Cometh" for my AP English exam, and told me that he had
written his PhD thesis on that and another of O'Neill's plays.
He said, "How about we give you an A for this and the following
course, and forget this ever happened?"

At the end of that year, I transferred to the University of Texas.
UT's Advanced Placement policies gave me credit for two English
courses in addition to the two I transferred, so I never had to
complete a college course in English. But I did have to take the
first four weeks of remedial English composition at a no-good
college.

Will
Jim A
2004-05-27 02:51:14 UTC
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Post by Steve Scott
<snip>
While I'm not going to suggest that there are NOT problems with the
state of education today, I believe that Mr. Sartwell woefully
misplaces the blame for these difficulties. Some 25 years ago, I had
an English teacher who encouraged me to write in exactly the
ridiculous style that Mr. Sartwell decries... and she did it without
any need of a computer.

It seems to me that the problem has very little to do with computers.
Kids today write poorly because they have not been taught to write
well, and perhaps even more importantly, spend too little time reading
good writing (Harry Potter alone cannot redeem them). Video games,
too much TV, entertainment "news" that reduces all stories to sound
bites, and a pop culture that embraces poor English (and apparently
replaces approximately 75% words in a good vocabulary with "like") all
have much more to do with our kids inability write effectively than
any computer software used to grade essays. Geography knowledge among
high school students is equally deplorable. Does Mr. Sartwell blame
that on a computer, too?

I was somewhat amused by the fact that Mr. Sartwell, without any
apparent credentials in computational linguistics, proceeds to offer
his own conjecture on how this software works, and then uses his
conjecture as a fact to support his argument. Perhaps it would be a
good idea for him to stop in at the philosophy department there at
Dickinson College for a refresher in logic. He might then learn the
phrase "reductio ad absurdum" is properly used to describe a proof by
contradiction (yes, it means "reduced to the absurd" as a literal
translation of the Latin, but that is not the English usage). He might
also learn of the "ignoratio elenchi" or "red herring" fallacy that he
demonstrates in using an irrelevant piece of information like the
potential evaluation of computer-grading technology on the SAT and ACT
to hide his weak support for his hypothesis. (If the technology
exists, would it not be appropriate for them to at least evaluate it?
And for the record, according to their respective creating
organizations, the SAT essay test that is being introduced next year
is graded by humans, as is the optional ACT essay test.)

Software will neither save nor damn education. If we want our kids to
grow up literate, we need to model for them-- show that we read (and
write) ourselves--and encourage them to do likewise. We need to
promote the value of words used properly and creatively. If we fail to
do this ourselves, we cannot blame educators for failing as well. If
the 16-year-old junior Sartwell is clueless about what constitutes a
good essay, perhaps Mr. Sartwell ought to look in the mirror, rather
than passing blame on his son's teachers, the education establishment,
or some essay-evaluating software boogeyman.

Obligatory guitar content: If you almost never hear a guitar (or any
other instrument) played well and have no role models dedicated to
playing guitar well, what are your chances of ever learning to play
guitar well?

--Jim
No Busking
2004-05-27 10:06:26 UTC
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Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today.
Kids, who can understand anything they say.
Kid, they are disobediant, disrespectful oafs.
I don't know why anybody wants 'em, ....


My father was a high-school teacher, then worked in educational publishing
during the '60's, '70's, '80's, and part of the '90's. Two of my three
sisters became teachers, my wife is currently a teacher, and my oldest
daughter is studying education at university.

The science of education was (and continues to be) a frequent topic at our
dinner table, both for family dinners, and for guests who enjoyed debating
with my dad and his spirited (and mouthy...) progeny.

I say this not to preface any great wisdom on the state of education today,
but to point out that the elements of education on the "leading edge" have
always been controversial. Folks have been predicting the disintegration of
public education since the mid-'60's (probably before that, but not to my
personal knowlege).

The last half-century has been a highly experimental period for public
education. Some things worked, some things didn't. This "golden age" when
WE attended school never existed. I remember when my younger sister was
taught to read using a leading edge system that didn't care about spelling,
and my parents went to the school board to complain.

Fast forward...

My 16 year old daughter and her friends are every bit as articulate as my
crowd in high school - probably more so. My 20 year old and her friends
come home from college full of piss and vinegar, and ready to debate the
world's important topics with whoever will listen.

Both kids (and my son as well) are comfortable and conversant with media
composition techniques that didn't exist when I was growing up. Sure, they
can write, but they can also compose in multimedia, conduct research on the
web far more effectively than me, and stay in touch with distant friends by
email and instant message.

All of those capabilities come - to some degree - at the expense of other
skills that older folks might consider sacrosanct. They don't spend as much
time writing essays, because they're spending a considerable amount of time
learning and expressing themselves in modes of communication that didn't
exist 20 (or even 10) years ago.

I have to chuckle when reading a thread like this, with everyone piling on
complaining about todays "brats" and how parents do such a lousy job, etc.
What a bunch of old farts.

You can all bitch about the state of kids and the state of education all you
want...my observation is that every generation before us has done the same
sort of complaining. I look forward to hearing the same crap from my
childrens' generation.


- Mike Pugh
Mike brown
2004-05-27 11:40:30 UTC
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I must admit that I stuffed up my education. I won't use the excuses of
being a war time child with an absent Father, and a Mother who worked
shifts on a telephone exchange, because, even though it is true, it
probably doesn't have a lot of bearing on my own character.

I found most lessons boring in the extreme, and only remember one teacher
who really captured my attention, an elderly man who taught us English and
some sort of science subject that included scouring the local countryside
for fossils and interesting rock samples.

I still love poetry, and am interested in ancient things that are dug out
of the ground (both man made and natural).

I managed to get myself expelled from my last school, and didn't do any
better in the academic side of my apprenticeship.

Even without the qualifications that I should have had, I managed to find
jobs that paid my bills and supported my family.

Don't really know what point I was intending to make, I guess just that
the richness of my life has little to do with qualifications, something to
do with the one good teacher that I met, and a lot to do with a good
marriage and luck.

I don't think that todays youngsters will be so lucky.

MJRB
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