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Martin Guitars are awful products...no better than Chinese made...
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r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-09 16:50:36 UTC
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Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!


Paula Primrose,

Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers of Martin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings of Martin
guitars and how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard to Martin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
--- On Fri, 1/9/09, Paula Primrose <***@martinguitar.com> wrote:


From: Paula Primrose <***@martinguitar.com>
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
To: "Stu Guru" <***@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM

Good Morning,



Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar

could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.

If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks



Best regards,

Paula Primrose

Customer Service





-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Guru [mailto:***@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.

Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).

Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.

Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?

Stuart Jordan
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-09 17:06:43 UTC
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Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
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Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.

Steve Hawkins
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-09 17:23:01 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct.  It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of.  That is not Martin's fault.  Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.  
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...

What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Paul L
2009-01-09 17:31:44 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...

What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.

++++++

The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"

Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.

Paul
JD
2009-01-09 17:40:18 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
++++++
The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"
Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.
Paul
*Do* keep in mind that OP likely bought his Martin for the same reason a
lot people do; because he believed the hype. While Martins are better
overall than they have been for quite some time it's still possible to
get a dud that shouldn't have left the factory.

JD
George's Pro Sound Company
2009-01-09 20:38:25 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
++++++
The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"
Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.
Paul
*Do* keep in mind that OP likely bought his Martin for the same reason a
lot people do; because he believed the hype. While Martins are better
overall than they have been for quite some time it's still possible to get
a dud that shouldn't have left the factory.
JD
and Martin is NOT as generous wth the warrentte as they wouldlike you to
believe
my buddy sent in his 000-16 and they claimed , user abuse shifted the neck
block,6-700$ for repair

now I have known this guitar since it was new, and I can vouch that it was
never in anyway abused

Martin is dodgeing thier responsibility on this instrument
george
a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-09 21:33:32 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
++++++
The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"
Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.
Paul
*Do* keep in mind that OP likely bought his Martin for the same reason a
lot people do; because he believed the hype. While Martins are better
overall than they have been for quite some time it's still possible to
get a dud that shouldn't have left the factory.
JD
Yeahbut...Martins are not generally people's first guitars. I don't
know what the entry price is for a Martin but I'll guess that it's
about the same as a Taylor or Guild, in which case (if it was me, even
30 years ago) I'd have been playing a bunch of guitars, not just going
out 'to buy a Martin'.

There's plenty of other names out there which have equal cachet. If
the guy went after the kudos of owning a Martin then caveat emptor -
it's his own dumb fault.

Pete
unknown
2009-01-09 21:37:12 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
++++++
The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"
Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.
Paul
*Do* keep in mind that OP likely bought his Martin for the same reason a
lot people do; because he believed the hype. While Martins are better
overall than they have been for quite some time it's still possible to
get a dud that shouldn't have left the factory.
JD
Yeahbut...Martins are not generally people's first guitars. I don't
know what the entry price is for a Martin but I'll guess that it's
about the same as a Taylor or Guild, in which case (if it was me, even
30 years ago) I'd have been playing a bunch of guitars, not just going
out 'to buy a Martin'.
There's plenty of other names out there which have equal cachet. If
the guy went after the kudos of owning a Martin then caveat emptor -
it's his own dumb fault.
Pete
Yeah and I didn't get that the guitar in question
was 8 years old when he bought it. He bought a
"name" with absolutely no knowledge of what makes
a guitar good then proceeded to mistreat it to the
point of fucking it up some more.

JD
Mike Brown
2009-01-09 22:16:23 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
++++++
The obvious question is .... "why did you buy it ?"
Any guitar whose sound and/or playability doesn't do it for me goes,
quite simply, back on the rack.
Paul
*Do* keep in mind that OP likely bought his Martin for the same reason a
lot people do; because he believed the hype. While Martins are better
overall than they have been for quite some time it's still possible to
get a dud that shouldn't have left the factory.
JD
If he played the damn thing and thought it wasn't as good as cheap
Chinese guitar, but still bought it the man is an idiot.

My 2002 HD28V sounds great. Perhaps not as good as some of the best old
ones, but still great.

MJRB
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-09 17:45:33 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct.  It seems you bought a used guitar
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hadn't been properly taken care of.  That is not Martin's fault.  Imp
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temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.  
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Nope, that was the warning that should have caused you to return it for a
refund. When wood dries out it shrinks. The finish shows the stress by
cracking first, followed by a tug of war between the glue joints and the
wood. The wood cracks, the joints fail, to relieve the stress.

Take it to a Luthier for a post mortem and they'll tell you why it
failed. Slandering Martin will get you nothing.

Steve Hawkins
Boesky
2009-01-09 20:19:56 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...

What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
============================================

And yet, YOU chose to buy it.
That is your fault, as is your obvious lack of due diligence.

I suspect this thread is nothing but a troll.
Regardless, the OP is clearly not the brightest string on the peg.
John Sorell
2009-01-09 21:19:00 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar
that hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault.
Improper temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along
with making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
============================================
And yet, YOU chose to buy it.
That is your fault, as is your obvious lack of due diligence.
I suspect this thread is nothing but a troll.
Regardless, the OP is clearly not the brightest string on the peg.
Sure, turn this into a DADGAD thread.

John
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-09 22:32:13 UTC
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Sure, turn this into a DADGAD thread.
John
And here I've almost convinced the Mothership about your Anal Probe, tsk.
Now thy're setting phasers to annihilate.

Steve Hawkins
a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-09 21:28:58 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct.  It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of.  That is not Martin's fault.  Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.  
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not it isn't. If it didn't sound as good as a cheap Chinese guitar
before it went south, why did you buy it?

I've known Martins (particularly the lightweight ones like D15's &
D16's) that have needed a bit of looking after, but D18's, 25's 35's
and so on are pretty sturdy.

You bought a badly looked after dud. Live with it - or get it fixed.

Pete
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:47 UTC
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You bought a badly looked after dud. Live with it - or get it fixed.
Maybe he should get his own self fixed. Some humans should not
procreate. In his case, some humans should probably not even
amateurcreate.
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ha
shut up and play your guitar
Geezer
2009-01-09 21:39:55 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...

-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.



Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???

Geezer
unknown
2009-01-09 21:55:00 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer
That's an excellent question for a rookie buyer.
For someone experienced enough to know *why* an
otherwise good guitar sounds like crap there are
opportunities to invest in potential if the price
is right. I've seen total crap guitars totally
transformed with as little as a fresh set of
strings and a good setup.

JD
TimW
2009-01-09 21:53:52 UTC
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I've seen total crap guitars totally transformed with as little as a fresh
set of strings and a good setup.
Amen JD!
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Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
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Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in
the first place???
Geezer
That's an excellent question for a rookie buyer. For someone experienced
enough to know *why* an otherwise good guitar sounds like crap there are
opportunities to invest in potential if the price is right. I've seen
total crap guitars totally transformed with as little as a fresh set of
strings and a good setup.
JD
a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-10 02:32:57 UTC
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Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer
That's an excellent question for a rookie buyer.
For someone experienced enough to know *why* an
otherwise good guitar sounds like crap there are
opportunities to invest in potential if the price
is right. I've seen total crap guitars totally
transformed with as little as a fresh set of
strings and a good setup.
JD
QED Chris Rockliffe's Dad's old Fender.

Chris had a Fender dread which was previously owned by his father, who
had put quite a few miles on it (like 250000) and I had the luxury of
playing it at UK3 in a Jam with Dorgan, Pugh, Park & Evans
(just to name the 'Muricans) and about 25 others. It ripped my fingers
to shreds - Jeez - it was awful, but I stuck with it because I was
swapping solos with David Kilpatrick and a few others and it was the
loudest guitar in the room.

The next morning I couldn't even hold a fork to eat my breakfast. Al
Evans really wanted me to play his Gallagher and I couldn't even look
at it, which was a shame because it was a sweet guitar (prolly still
is - I expect he's still got it).

Anyway, years later, Chris got the Fender set up properly and guess
what - it was a belter - still crazily loud, but actually possible to
play without having to go to casualty afterwards. Says something for
sound guitarmaking - almost anything is repairable.

Pete
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-10 18:15:42 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer
That's an excellent question for a rookie buyer.
For someone experienced enough to know *why* an
otherwise good guitar sounds like crap there are
opportunities to invest in potential if the price
is right. I've seen total crap guitars totally
transformed with as little as a fresh set of
strings and a good setup.
JD
QED Chris Rockliffe's Dad's old Fender.
Chris had a Fender dread which was previously owned by his father, who
had put quite a few miles on it (like 250000) and I had the luxury of
playing it at UK3 in a Jam with Dorgan, Pugh, Park & Evans
(just to name the 'Muricans) and about 25 others. It ripped my fingers
to shreds - Jeez - it was awful, but I stuck with it because I was
swapping solos with David Kilpatrick and a few others and it was the
loudest guitar in the room.
The next morning I couldn't  even hold a fork to eat my breakfast. Al
Evans  really wanted me to play his Gallagher and I couldn't even look
at it, which was a shame because it was a sweet guitar (prolly still
is - I expect he's still got it).
Anyway, years later, Chris got the Fender set up properly and guess
what - it was a belter - still crazily loud, but actually possible to
play without having to go to casualty afterwards. Says something for
sound guitarmaking - almost anything is repairable.
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I'm with you...I'm the OP...I'm going to fix this guitar...going to do
a custom job on it. I'm not going to give up on it.
John Sorell
2009-01-10 18:17:27 UTC
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sucked when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
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Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used
guitar th
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hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault.
Imprope
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temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with
making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it
in t
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I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before. I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet. Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him. The thing looked "MINT". Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring. The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect. First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull. Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the back
comes apart...literally. I live in a humid climate. Also, I've owned
guitars and take great care of them. Was I a fool for buying a guitar
before playing it? The answer is yes.
Correct!
Just I believed too much of the hype about Martin...guess I expected
too much of Martin...

See your previous answer...the fool part.

John
Stuart Jordan
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2009-01-10 18:38:47 UTC
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Post by John Sorell
Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it
sucked when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used
guitar th
at
Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault.
Imprope
r
Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with
making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it
in t
he
Post by Geezer
first place???
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I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before.  I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet.  Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him.  The thing looked "MINT".  Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring.  The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect.  First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull.  Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the back
comes apart...literally.  I live in a humid climate.  Also, I've owned
guitars and take great care of them.  Was I a fool for buying a guitar
before playing it?  The answer is yes.  
Correct!
Just I believed too much of the hype about Martin...guess I expected
too much of Martin...
See your previous answer...the fool part.
John
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John,

You are a great friend...if there's anything I can do for you...just
give me your address and home phone number...promise me that, k?

XOXO,

FU
John Sorell
2009-01-10 18:56:05 UTC
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m.
.. On Jan 9, 11:06 am, Steve Hawkins
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it
sucked when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used
guitar th
at
Post by Steve Hawkins
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault.
Imprope
r
Post by Steve Hawkins
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with
making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound
as -good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy
it in t
he
first place???
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I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before.  I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet.  Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him.  The thing looked "MINT".  Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring.  The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect.  First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull.  Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the
back comes apart...literally.  I live in a humid climate.  Also,
I've ow
ned
guitars and take great care of them.  Was I a fool for buying a
guita
r
before playing it?  The answer is yes.  
Correct!
Just I believed too much of the hype about Martin...guess I
expected
too much of Martin...
See your previous answer...the fool part.
John
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John,
You are a great friend...if there's anything I can do for you...just
give me your address and home phone number...promise me that, k?
XOXO,
FU
Heh...you seem to be making a lot of friends here. If you re-read all
your posts on this thread you might gain an understanding on how stupid
it is.

Nah, probably not.

John
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2009-01-10 19:10:24 UTC
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Post by John Sorell
Post by r***@hotmail.com
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m.
.. On Jan 9, 11:06 am, Steve Hawkins
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it
sucked when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used
guitar th
at
Post by Steve Hawkins
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault.
Imprope
r
Post by Steve Hawkins
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with
making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound
as -good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy
it in t
he
first place???
Geezer- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before.  I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet.  Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him.  The thing looked "MINT".  Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring.  The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect.  First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull.  Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the
back comes apart...literally.  I live in a humid climate.  Also,
I've ow
ned
guitars and take great care of them.  Was I a fool for buying a
guita
r
before playing it?  The answer is yes.  
Correct!
Just I believed too much of the hype about Martin...guess I expected
too much of Martin...
See your previous answer...the fool part.
John
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John,
You are a great friend...if there's anything I can do for you...just
give me your address and home phone number...promise me that, k?
XOXO,
FU
Heh...you seem to be making a lot of friends here. If you re-read all
your posts on this thread you might gain an understanding on how stupid
it is.
Nah, probably not.
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John,

If it's so stupid...why are you participating? Do I have to answer
that question for you?

Stuart
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.co m.
.. On Jan 9, 11:06 am, Steve Hawkins
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company
spokes person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the
fact it sucked when compared to Chinese made
guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used
guitar th
at
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's
fault. Imprope
r
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with
making it sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't
sound as -good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is
Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you
buy it in t
he
first place???
Geezer- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced
items...been playing 16 years...never had the money to burn
before.  I played a D-28 sitting in a shop in
Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet.  Then
I
Post by r***@hotmail.com
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought
it directly from him.  The thing looked "MINT".  Only one lite
mark
on
Post by r***@hotmail.com
the neck where he had been wearing a ring.  The thing glowed in
th
e
Post by r***@hotmail.com
dark it looked so perfect.  First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull.  Replaced the strings...sounded better,
but within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the
back comes apart...literally.  I live in a humid climate.  Also,
I've ow
ned
guitars and take great care of them.  Was I a fool for buying a
guita
r
before playing it?  The answer is yes.  
Correct!
Just I believed too much of the hype about Martin...guess I expected
too much of Martin...
See your previous answer...the fool part.
John
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John,
You are a great friend...if there's anything I can do for
you...just give me your address and home phone number...promise me
that, k?
XOXO,
FU
Heh...you seem to be making a lot of friends here. If you re-read all
your posts on this thread you might gain an understanding on how
stupid it is.
Nah, probably not.
John- Hide quoted text -
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John,
If it's so stupid...why are you participating? Do I have to answer
that question for you?
Stuart
Cause you're a fun guy and you seem to easily take the bate. Besides, now
we are great friends (See your post above). They say you'll look smart if
you surround yourself with stupid friends.

Albert
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2009-01-10 18:12:46 UTC
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Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar.  That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before. I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet. Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him. The thing looked "MINT". Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring. The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect. First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull. Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.

Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the back
comes apart...literally. I live in a humid climate. Also, I've owned
guitars and take great care of them. Was I a fool for buying a guitar
before playing it? The answer is yes. Just I believed too much of
the hype about Martin...guess I expected too much of Martin...

Stuart Jordan
Misifus
2009-01-10 18:38:28 UTC
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Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before. I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet. Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him. The thing looked "MINT". Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring. The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect. First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull. Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the back
comes apart...literally. I live in a humid climate. Also, I've owned
guitars and take great care of them. Was I a fool for buying a guitar
before playing it? The answer is yes. Just I believed too much of
the hype about Martin...guess I expected too much of Martin...
Stuart Jordan
I think you expected too much of the ebay vendor. Not all D-28 guitars
are alike. That the shop had one you liked clearly didn't mean that any
D-28 would be the same. It's very likely that the previous owner, or
owners, had not treated the guitar right. Perhaps the guy that sold it
to you knew that, or didn't. It's very unlike a Martin to come apart
the way yours did. I've had one in my hands since 1978 and it's fine,
except for the dings I've put in it.

Perhaps it's time to mention that guitars are made of wood, and wood
isn't all alike. No two pieces are exactly the same. This means that
from any factory, turning out thousands of guitars a year, they will not
all be the same. Folks around here say, if you play one you like in a
store, buy that one. Don't be fooled into buying the same model from
the back room, even if the "same model" has never been played, you can't
be sure it will sound and play the same.

In your case, the problem is greater, because you simply don't know what
happened to the guitar before you got it. If it was owned in a cold
climate, and kept in a heated home without humidifying, it could be,
would probably be severely dried out. That drying can be extremely
harmful to the guitar and might very well be what happened to your
instrument.

If I bought a used car that had never had the oil changed or the brakes
checked or the air cleaner changed or the tires rotated, I wouldn't be
surprised if I had some problems with the car. In fact, I'd be lucky if
I didn't have severe problems with it, costing a lot of money.

Your guitar is like that car. You didn't know it hadn't been cared for;
perhaps you didn't know what a guitar needs in the way of care, but the
lack of care can cause severe problems.

-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Sherm
2009-01-10 19:15:40 UTC
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Post by Geezer
Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
-It looked fine when I bought it...
-What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
-good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
Not meant to incite, but if it didn't sound good, why did you buy it in the
first place???
Geezer- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bought it after only owning nothing but low priced items...been
playing 16 years...never had the money to burn before. I played a
D-28 sitting in a shop in Manhattan...sounded pretty sweet. Then I
found one on E-bay...dude ended the bidding early and I bought it
directly from him. The thing looked "MINT". Only one lite mark on
the neck where he had been wearing a ring. The thing glowed in the
dark it looked so perfect. First thing I noticed after getting
it...it sounded dull. Replaced the strings...sounded better, but
within three days the sound was gone again.
Had it less than two weeks before the finish on the top started
cracking...withing 36 hours after the finish starts to crack the back
comes apart...literally. I live in a humid climate. Also, I've owned
guitars and take great care of them. Was I a fool for buying a guitar
before playing it? The answer is yes. Just I believed too much of
the hype about Martin...guess I expected too much of Martin...
Stuart Jordan
I think you expected too much of the ebay vendor. Not all D-28 guitars
are alike. That the shop had one you liked clearly didn't mean that any
D-28 would be the same. It's very likely that the previous owner, or
owners, had not treated the guitar right. Perhaps the guy that sold it
to you knew that, or didn't. It's very unlike a Martin to come apart
the way yours did. I've had one in my hands since 1978 and it's fine,
except for the dings I've put in it.
Perhaps it's time to mention that guitars are made of wood, and wood
isn't all alike. No two pieces are exactly the same. This means that
from any factory, turning out thousands of guitars a year, they will not
all be the same. Folks around here say, if you play one you like in a
store, buy that one. Don't be fooled into buying the same model from
the back room, even if the "same model" has never been played, you can't
be sure it will sound and play the same.
In your case, the problem is greater, because you simply don't know what
happened to the guitar before you got it. If it was owned in a cold
climate, and kept in a heated home without humidifying, it could be,
would probably be severely dried out. That drying can be extremely
harmful to the guitar and might very well be what happened to your
instrument.
If I bought a used car that had never had the oil changed or the brakes
checked or the air cleaner changed or the tires rotated, I wouldn't be
surprised if I had some problems with the car. In fact, I'd be lucky if
I didn't have severe problems with it, costing a lot of money.
Your guitar is like that car. You didn't know it hadn't been cared for;
perhaps you didn't know what a guitar needs in the way of care, but the
lack of care can cause severe problems.
-Raf
I'd like to think Stuart's going to read this, Raf. Nicely posted!
Sherm
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2009-01-10 19:23:43 UTC
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Was I a fool for buying a guitar before playing it?  The answer is yes.
No.  IMO.  The issues are specific to that transaction.  Plenty of
people buy guitars online and it can be done carefully, with approval
periods, for example.  Normally you risk the cost of the return
shipping only.  You're generalizing inaccurately.
Just I believed too much of the ...
No.  You're mixing up all kinds of different issues here, imho,
Stuart.  And generalizing illogically --- again.  Since you asked, I
think you just need to just cool it and figure out how you're make the
best of things and cut your losses.  
1)  Its possible you might have purchased that even after playing it.
You said it was ok at first, yes?  You might have taken the exact same
risk.
2)  That guitar might be great after its repaired.  It could very well
be a great guitar that will have been worth rescuing once you look
back.
So what are you gonna do?  The crusade's a wste of time, imo.
Sherm
Sherm,

I couldn't agree with you more...crusading won't get me playing any
faster. Decided I'm going to put the thing in it's case and give
myself a few weeks/months to cool down. Then I'm going to repair
it...do a custom finish job on it. The $1400 I paid for it will be a
very cheap lesson learned...as I've already learned a lot. Just
ethusiasm got the best of me...can't believe I let down my guard.

Got a job that afforded me to buy a nice guitar and I let myself
slip. Before I'm done this guitar will both play great and sound
great..money be damned.

I have to put in a plug here....the Chinese made Guild GAD-50....it's
a great solid spruce/rosewood guitar. It has bottom, mid-range and
highs that make me tear up. That's with three week old strings.
Action is adjustable and comes from the factory playing like a strat.
Honestly I believe you pay a premium for American made guitars due to
labor and sales. Guess you live and learn.

Stuart
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
<snip>
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Stuart Jordan
Sorry , Man, but Paula is correct. It seems you bought a used guitar that
hadn't been properly taken care of. That is not Martin's fault. Improper
temp and humidity will destroy any acoustic guitar along with making it
sound like crap.
Steve Hawkins
It looked fine when I bought it...
What I do know...is before it went south...it still didn't sound as
good as a cheap Chinese made guitar. That is Martin's fault.
The guitar was about to come apart. Comparisons of how it sounded even
compared to a trashcan lid, when the instrument is in such condition,
are irrelevant to how it might sound if sound.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
Kevin Hall
2009-01-09 17:31:02 UTC
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If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments, why did you buy it? You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated, or have abused it yourself through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.

Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.

If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.

Martin, like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments, will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims. Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.

You are entitled to your opinion, but posting a header like 'Martin guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.

The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote, but to breed!

KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers of Martin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings of Martin
guitars and how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard to Martin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:47 UTC
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Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
Our job is to balance that.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
don hindenach
2009-01-10 19:54:45 UTC
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Post by hank alrich
Post by Kevin Hall
Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
Our job is to balance that.
heh. from his replies to Kevin and Ed, sounds like he earned his trouble fair
and square.
--
-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-10 18:33:47 UTC
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Post by Kevin Hall
If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments,  why did you buy it?   You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated,  or have abused it yourself through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.
Your post is juvenile,  and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.
Martin,  like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments,  will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims.   Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.
You are entitled to your opinion,  but posting a header like 'Martin guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.
The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote,  but to breed!
KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers ofMartin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative?  I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings ofMartin> guitarsand how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products.  We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page.  He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost.  This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this).  Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard toMartin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise.  My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!!   Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin.  No this is not typically of our
instruments.  It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out.  You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know.  Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
 Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08.  Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass.  Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places.  It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ???  I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Kevin,

You are a great friend. If your mom or dog dies and you need
consoling...you know who to come to first. I'd give my left nut to be
the first person to speak to you after your loosing out on
something...I mean that.

You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.

When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.

Your friend for life...XOXO,

FU
Ed Edelenbos
2009-01-10 18:52:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Kevin Hall
If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments, why did you buy it? You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated, or have abused it yourself
through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.
Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.
Martin, like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments, will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long
and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims. Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.
You are entitled to your opinion, but posting a header like 'Martin
guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.
The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote, but to breed!
KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers ofMartin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings ofMartin>
guitarsand how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard toMartin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Kevin,
You are a great friend. If your mom or dog dies and you need
consoling...you know who to come to first. I'd give my left nut to be
the first person to speak to you after your loosing out on
something...I mean that.
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Stuart, you took a chance and it didn't pan out. Believe me, I can
understand your frustration. I clearly read that frustration in your orig.
post. I think it was misdirected which I can also (almost understand.) No
one wants to admit they've been wrong. Many children try to transfer blame
for something they did onto someone else.

You've crossed a line. You'll probably get more responses but honestly, you
no longer rate.

Wow. I'm beside myself.

Grow the fuck up.... preferably somewhere else.

Ed
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-10 19:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Kevin Hall
If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments, why did you buy it? You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated, or have abused it yourself
through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.
Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.
Martin, like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments, will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long
and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims. Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.
You are entitled to your opinion, but posting a header like 'Martin>> guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.
The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote, but to breed!
KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers ofMartin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings ofMartin>
guitarsand how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard toMartin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Kevin,
You are a great friend.  If your mom or dog dies and you need
consoling...you know who to come to first.  I'd give my left nut to be
the first person to speak to you after your loosing out on
something...I mean that.
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Stuart, you took a chance and it didn't pan out.  Believe me, I can
understand your frustration.  I clearly read that frustration in your orig.
post.  I think it was misdirected which I can also (almost understand.)  No
one wants to admit they've been wrong.  Many children try to transfer blame
for something they did onto someone else.
You've crossed a line.  You'll probably get more responses but honestly, you
no longer rate.
Wow.  I'm beside myself.
Grow the fuck up....  preferably somewhere else.
Ed- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ed,

What a great guy...you sound like a "collector". Nothing better in
this world than a "collector of guitars".

If you ever need help...
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-10 19:13:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Kevin Hall
If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments, why did you buy it? You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated, or have abused it yourself
through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.
Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.
Martin, like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments, will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long
and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims. Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.
You are entitled to your opinion, but posting a header like 'Martin>> guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.
The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote, but to breed!
KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers ofMartin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings ofMartin>
guitarsand how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard toMartin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Kevin,
You are a great friend.  If your mom or dog dies and you need
consoling...you know who to come to first.  I'd give my left nut to be
the first person to speak to you after your loosing out on
something...I mean that.
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Stuart, you took a chance and it didn't pan out.  Believe me, I can
understand your frustration.  I clearly read that frustration in your orig.
post.  I think it was misdirected which I can also (almost understand.)  No
one wants to admit they've been wrong.  Many children try to transfer blame
for something they did onto someone else.
You've crossed a line.  You'll probably get more responses but honestly, you
no longer rate.
Wow.  I'm beside myself.
Grow the fuck up....  preferably somewhere else.
Ed- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ed,

Knowing I don't rate in your book...makes me want to go hang myself.

Stuart
hank alrich
2009-01-10 19:27:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Knowing I don't rate in your book...makes me want to go hang myself.
Take that Martin and stick it up your ass where your head is.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
unknown
2009-01-10 20:10:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Ed Edelenbos
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Post by Kevin Hall
If as you say the D-28 'sucked' when compared with your Chinese made
instruments, why did you buy it? You've obviously either bought a used
instrument which has been badly treated, or have abused it yourself
through
abrupt extreme temp. and/or humidity changes.
Your post is juvenile, and Ms. Primrose responded with restraint.
If you cannot appreciate the difference between a Martin and Asian copies,
for heavens' sake don't squander the difference in price.
Martin, like any other company which manufactures large numbers of
instruments, will produce a dog from time to time but they have a long
and
honourable history of doing the right thing when it comes to standing behind
honest warranty claims. Your claim is neither honest nor covered under
warranty.
You are entitled to your opinion, but posting a header like 'Martin>> guitars
are awful products' goes beyond opinion and may be actionable slander.
The truly frightening thing about your declaration that the superiority of
Chinese products makes you want to be a communist is that in North America
you are not only allowed to vote, but to breed!
KH
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers ofMartin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings ofMartin>
guitarsand how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard toMartin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Kevin,
You are a great friend. If your mom or dog dies and you need
consoling...you know who to come to first. I'd give my left nut to be
the first person to speak to you after your loosing out on
something...I mean that.
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Stuart, you took a chance and it didn't pan out. Believe me, I can
understand your frustration. I clearly read that frustration in your orig.
post. I think it was misdirected which I can also (almost understand.) No
one wants to admit they've been wrong. Many children try to transfer blame
for something they did onto someone else.
You've crossed a line. You'll probably get more responses but honestly, you
no longer rate.
Wow. I'm beside myself.
Grow the fuck up.... preferably somewhere else.
Ed- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ed,
Knowing I don't rate in your book...makes me want to go hang myself.
Stuart
That made me think of the Pace Picante Sauce
commercial; "Get a rope". Happy to be of assistance.

JD
hank alrich
2009-01-10 19:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Why would he want to live with you?
--
ha
i wonder if Norm could use a handi cape?
Misifus
2009-01-10 19:34:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Kevin,
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Kevin doesn't live in a Republican state, or any other kind of state.
Further, he is a longtime luthier and Martin repairman who has made more
guitars than you or I have played, and I've been playing for more than
45 years. You condemn yourself by your own writings. I've tried to
speak to you as a rational, mature adult, but that's becoming
impossible, given your puerile outbursts.

-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Sherm
2009-01-10 19:47:21 UTC
Permalink
The Puerile Outbursts would be a great name for a band.
Sherm
John Sorell
2009-01-10 19:52:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sherm
The Puerile Outbursts would be a great name for a band.
Sherm
LOL
r***@hotmail.com
2009-01-10 20:18:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Misifus
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Kevin,
You also must live in a republican state...call it a lucky guess.
When you are done poking your sister, aunt and/or cousin...please
remove foot from mouth and commit yourself to a home for the mentally
handicaped.
Your friend for life...XOXO,
FU
Kevin doesn't live in a Republican state, or any other kind of state.
Further, he is a longtime luthier and Martin repairman who has made more
guitars than you or I have played, and I've been playing for more than
45 years.  You condemn yourself by your own writings.  I've tried to
speak to you as a rational, mature adult, but that's becoming
impossible, given your puerile outbursts.
        -Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"Puerile"...is that one of those $5 words?

Zeke Skarland
2009-01-09 17:48:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers of Martin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative?  I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings of Martin
guitars and how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products.  We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page.  He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost.  This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this).  Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard to Martin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise.  My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!!   Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin.  No this is not typically of our
instruments.  It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out.  You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know.  Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
  Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08.  Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass.  Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places.  It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ???  I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I hate to sound harsh, but you exhibited a large lack of judgement in
buying a guitar that didn't sound good. Also, you show a lack of,
what's the word, knowledge or intelligence or life experience, by
generalizing from a single USED/HISTORY UNKONWN guitar to an entire
company with a long term quality reputation and which manufatures
thousands of guitars each year. That just doesn't make sense and
you're embarassing yourself.

The Martin rep's response was right on and very professional in that
she didn't insult you.

By the way, I own no Martin guitars and never had, but what you're
saying makes absolutely no sense at all.
Bob Dorgan
2009-01-09 18:31:55 UTC
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so, you emailed Martin and told them you were going to start a website just
to slander their products..

I'm surprised they didn't send you a Xmas card.

dorgan
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:48 UTC
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Post by Bob Dorgan
so, you emailed Martin and told them you were going to start a website just
to slander their products..
I'm surprised they didn't send you a Xmas card.
Delivered by a cruise missle.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
David L. Martel
2009-01-09 17:53:26 UTC
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Stuart,

I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me. But
they are well made and they do have a good warranty.
The separation of the finish from the top may be associated with sudden
temperature changes. Was this guitar shipped to you?
The back problem sounds like a long term humidity problem. I'd expect to
see other evidence of "dry guitar". You clearly got an estimate for repair
so what did the luthier think caused your problems? Have you raised this
problem with the seller?
You also complain about the tone. Why did you buy a guitar that you don't
like? Sorry, but the whole tone of your letter seems to place a lot of blame
on Martin for no obvious reason.

Dave M.
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:48 UTC
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Post by David L. Martel
Stuart,
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I can't say
I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different sounds from
Martins.
Post by David L. Martel
But
they are well made and they do have a good warranty.
The separation of the finish from the top may be associated with sudden
temperature changes. Was this guitar shipped to you?
The back problem sounds like a long term humidity problem. I'd expect to
see other evidence of "dry guitar". You clearly got an estimate for repair
so what did the luthier think caused your problems? Have you raised this
problem with the seller?
You also complain about the tone. Why did you buy a guitar that you don't
like? Sorry, but the whole tone of your letter seems to place a lot of blame
on Martin for no obvious reason.
Amen.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
David L. Martel
2009-01-10 16:01:46 UTC
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Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I can't say
I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different sounds from
Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that there
was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never played a Martin
that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.

Dave M.
Misifus
2009-01-10 16:25:10 UTC
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Post by David L. Martel
Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I can't say
I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different sounds from
Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that there
was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never played a Martin
that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.
Dave M.
I'll concur with Hank. A maple small body sounds nothing like a
rosewood dread. For that matter, my mahogany OM sounds quite different
from a D-18 - both the same woods, but different body shapes/sizes.

-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
hank alrich
2009-01-10 18:37:06 UTC
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Post by David L. Martel
Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I can't say
I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different sounds from
Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that there
was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never played a Martin
that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.
I'm not around lots of Martins these days. But Dave Johns early '50's
D28, which has had heavy gauge strings on it for 46 years, and my
daughter's '57 000-28 are really magnificent sounding instruments.

OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
John Sorell
2009-01-10 18:58:45 UTC
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Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I
can't say I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different
sounds from Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that
there was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never
played a Martin that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.
I'm not around lots of Martins these days. But Dave Johns early '50's
D28, which has had heavy gauge strings on it for 46 years, and my
daughter's '57 000-28 are really magnificent sounding instruments.
OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
I have been underwhelmed by every OOO-28EC that I've played. A friend of
mine won one in the Acoustic Guitar mag giveaway several years
ago...maybe '98. He traded it in on something more desireable.

John
Ed Edelenbos
2009-01-10 19:01:06 UTC
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Post by John Sorell
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I
can't say I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different
sounds from Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that
there was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never
played a Martin that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.
I'm not around lots of Martins these days. But Dave Johns early '50's
D28, which has had heavy gauge strings on it for 46 years, and my
daughter's '57 000-28 are really magnificent sounding instruments.
OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
I have been underwhelmed by every OOO-28EC that I've played. A friend of
mine won one in the Acoustic Guitar mag giveaway several years
ago...maybe '98. He traded it in on something more desireable.
John
Whew. I thought it was because I'm not sophisticated enough to "get it".

Ed
George's Pro Sound Company
2009-01-10 19:07:22 UTC
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Post by Ed Edelenbos
Post by John Sorell
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
Hank,
Post by hank alrich
Post by David L. Martel
I'm not a big fan of Martin. The sound doesn't do anything for me.
Having heard hundreds of Martins of many models and vintages I
can't say I understand "the sound". I've heard lots of different
sounds from Martins.
The Sound that I'm referring to is the sound of the Martins that I have
played. Sorry that wasn't clear. Sorry if that lead you to think that
there was a magical "Martin Sound". To be more clear I have never
played a Martin that I wanted to buy.
I don't think they are bad guitars, but they aren't for me.
I'm not around lots of Martins these days. But Dave Johns early '50's
D28, which has had heavy gauge strings on it for 46 years, and my
daughter's '57 000-28 are really magnificent sounding instruments.
OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
I have been underwhelmed by every OOO-28EC that I've played. A friend of
mine won one in the Acoustic Guitar mag giveaway several years
ago...maybe '98. He traded it in on something more desireable.
John
Whew. I thought it was because I'm not sophisticated enough to "get it".
Ed
There was a new one in our circle
it went back not due to the sound but due to poor build quality(for a 3000$
guitar)
the top showed stress around the edge of the bridge and one fret was popping
up
george
Misifus
2009-01-10 19:36:20 UTC
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Post by John Sorell
Post by hank alrich
OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
I have been underwhelmed by every OOO-28EC that I've played. A friend of
mine won one in the Acoustic Guitar mag giveaway several years
ago...maybe '98. He traded it in on something more desireable.
John
That's my take on that model, too.

-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Geezer
2009-01-10 19:48:07 UTC
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Post by Misifus
Post by John Sorell
Post by hank alrich
OTOH I have a friend with a recent 000-28EC that is remarkably
unremarkable.
I have been underwhelmed by every OOO-28EC that I've played. A friend of
mine won one in the Acoustic Guitar mag giveaway several years
ago...maybe '98. He traded it in on something more desireable.
John
That's my take on that model, too.
-Raf
Same here. I've probably played a half dozen over the years and none even
tempted me.
There was, however, an OM-21 in Guitar Center of all places that blew me
away. Went home to think about it overnight and it was gone the next day...
Haven't found another that made me feel the same since.

Geezer
Misifus
2009-01-09 18:00:43 UTC
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers of Martin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings of Martin
guitars and how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard to Martin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan
I bought my first Martin in 1964, used, and today I have three. I also
have several other guitars one of which is an expensive custom. I have
no complaints about my Martin guitars, one of which dates to the 1960's.
On the other hand, since that first buy, I have come to understand
just what I want in a guitar, and how to pick individual instruments
that meet my needs. My newest Martin I bought in a very fine guitar
store (Cotton Music, Nashville), and I played several instruments in the
store, including more than one example of the model I decided upon,
before select the one that I bought. Come to think of it, I bought my
oldest Martin from Gruhn in Nashville. I believe there's a pattern here.

As the others have said, you bought, so did I the first time, a pig in a
poke in buying a used guitar. I don't know why you bought if the
Chinese guitars are so much better, but perhaps you didn't realize that
until you had already made the purchase.

I just noticed that you imply that you paid only $1000 for a D-28. I'm
not conversant with the current value, but that seems a very low price
to me. Could it be there was a reason for the cut-rate price? You know
that if you had bought new, the guitar would be fixed under warranty.

Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners
all over the world.



-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:***@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Ed Maier
2009-01-09 19:57:05 UTC
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Misifus wrote:
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners
all over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.

Ed (HD-35) Maier
George's Pro Sound Company
2009-01-09 20:39:53 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George
n***@verizon.net
2009-01-09 21:28:15 UTC
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Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely.  If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands.  I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
    -Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
 we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
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George,

I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....

Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)


Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
Ed Edelenbos
2009-01-09 22:53:24 UTC
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Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
Almost right... Fix Or Replace Daily

I've had both Ford and Chevy. Eh, they're cars. Point A to B. What's the
big deal? Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets. *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy. It
used a gallon an hour... whether we went 6 or 30 knots. LOL! I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running. (grin)

Ed

Ed
Cliff
2009-01-09 23:03:15 UTC
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I've had both Ford and Chevy.  Eh, they're cars.  Point A to B.  What's the
big deal?  Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets.  *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy.  It
used a gallon an hour...  whether we went 6 or 30 knots.  LOL!   I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running.  (grin)
Ed
I know jackshit about cars....i'm with you...A 2 B....
i don't know what the deal is stateside, but over here Ford were
renowned for making superb engines.
My dad's old shooting pal had a Mark 1 Cortina, that little thing did
250,000 miles on that same orig. factory engine, no trouble.
Unfortunately, the bodywork used to rust very quickly here on Fords in
this damp climate.

C
a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-10 02:19:17 UTC
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Post by Cliff
I've had both Ford and Chevy.  Eh, they're cars.  Point A to B.  What's the
big deal?  Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets.  *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy.  It
used a gallon an hour...  whether we went 6 or 30 knots.  LOL!   I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running.  (grin)
Ed
I know jackshit about cars....i'm with you...A 2 B....
i don't know what the deal is stateside, but over here Ford were
renowned for making superb engines.
My dad's old shooting pal had a Mark 1 Cortina, that little thing did
250,000 miles on that same orig. factory engine, no trouble.
Unfortunately, the bodywork used to rust very quickly here on Fords in
this damp climate.
C
Imported cars over here rust out quickly because when we grit the
roads we use salt, hence the thousands of Lancia Betas that rotted out
on docksides in the '70's. Of course the Italians don't really get
frost (not in Turin, anyway - I know they've had the winter Olympics
there and everything but all that stuff is going on in the hills).

I can remember fixing the tappetts on my dad's Zephyr in about 1970.
Great engine as long as it was maintained - fell to pieces very
quickly if it wasn't.

Pete
Mike Brown
2009-01-10 07:52:06 UTC
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Post by a***@contractorcom.com
Post by Cliff
Post by Ed Edelenbos
I've had both Ford and Chevy. Eh, they're cars. Point A to B. What's the
big deal? Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets. *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy. It
used a gallon an hour... whether we went 6 or 30 knots. LOL! I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running. (grin)
Ed
I know jackshit about cars....i'm with you...A 2 B....
i don't know what the deal is stateside, but over here Ford were
renowned for making superb engines.
My dad's old shooting pal had a Mark 1 Cortina, that little thing did
250,000 miles on that same orig. factory engine, no trouble.
Unfortunately, the bodywork used to rust very quickly here on Fords in
this damp climate.
C
Imported cars over here rust out quickly because when we grit the
roads we use salt, hence the thousands of Lancia Betas that rotted out
on docksides in the '70's. Of course the Italians don't really get
frost (not in Turin, anyway - I know they've had the winter Olympics
there and everything but all that stuff is going on in the hills).
I can remember fixing the tappetts on my dad's Zephyr in about 1970.
Great engine as long as it was maintained - fell to pieces very
quickly if it wasn't.
Pete
The rusting Italian cars have little to do with the salt on your roads.

They rust out here too, and we don't even get snow or ice.

MJRB
a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-10 12:33:41 UTC
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Post by Mike Brown
Post by a***@contractorcom.com
Post by Cliff
Post by Ed Edelenbos
I've had both Ford and Chevy. Eh, they're cars. Point A to B. What's the
big deal? Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets. *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy. It
used a gallon an hour... whether we went 6 or 30 knots. LOL! I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running. (grin)
Ed
I know jackshit about cars....i'm with you...A 2 B....
i don't know what the deal is stateside, but over here Ford were
renowned for making superb engines.
My dad's old shooting pal had a Mark 1 Cortina, that little thing did
250,000 miles on that same orig. factory engine, no trouble.
Unfortunately, the bodywork used to rust very quickly here on Fords in
this damp climate.
C
Imported cars over here rust out quickly because when we grit the
roads we use salt, hence the thousands of Lancia Betas that rotted out
on docksides in the '70's. Of course the Italians don't really get
frost (not in Turin, anyway - I know they've had the winter Olympics
there and everything but all that stuff is going on in the hills).
I can remember fixing the tappetts on my dad's Zephyr in about 1970.
Great engine as long as it was maintained - fell to pieces very
quickly if it wasn't.
Pete
The rusting Italian cars have little to do with the salt on your roads.
They rust out here too, and we don't even get snow or ice.
MJRB
They've fixed it since - in the early 70's Fiat and (particularly
Lancia) were making cars from such thin steel you could dent them by
leaning on them.

Pete
Cliff
2009-01-10 12:39:30 UTC
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They've fixed it since - in the early 70's Fiat and (particularly
Lancia) were making cars from such thin steel you could dent them by
leaning on them.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
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when was the last time you saw a Lancia in the UK ?...they gave up on
us about 10 yrs ago IIRC.

c.
Misifus
2009-01-10 16:27:10 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by a***@contractorcom.com
They've fixed it since - in the early 70's Fiat and (particularly
Lancia) were making cars from such thin steel you could dent them by
leaning on them.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
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when was the last time you saw a Lancia in the UK ?...they gave up on
us about 10 yrs ago IIRC.
c.
I don't think I've seen a Lancia since I left Panama in 1968. Alfas
used to be sold here, but not for many years.
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Geezer
2009-01-10 13:13:17 UTC
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Post by Mike Brown
Post by a***@contractorcom.com
Post by Cliff
Post by Ed Edelenbos
I've had both Ford and Chevy. Eh, they're cars. Point A to B. What's the
big deal? Now the '58 Owens (baby cabin cruiser) I had, was equipped with a
Chevy 283 with water jackets. *That* was enough to sell me on Chevy.
It
used a gallon an hour... whether we went 6 or 30 knots. LOL! I'm not
sure where that thing is, but I bet that engine is still running.
(grin)
Ed
I know jackshit about cars....i'm with you...A 2 B....
i don't know what the deal is stateside, but over here Ford were
renowned for making superb engines.
My dad's old shooting pal had a Mark 1 Cortina, that little thing did
250,000 miles on that same orig. factory engine, no trouble.
Unfortunately, the bodywork used to rust very quickly here on Fords in
this damp climate.
C
Imported cars over here rust out quickly because when we grit the
roads we use salt, hence the thousands of Lancia Betas that rotted out
on docksides in the '70's. Of course the Italians don't really get
frost (not in Turin, anyway - I know they've had the winter Olympics
there and everything but all that stuff is going on in the hills).
I can remember fixing the tappetts on my dad's Zephyr in about 1970.
Great engine as long as it was maintained - fell to pieces very
quickly if it wasn't.
Pete
The rusting Italian cars have little to do with the salt on your roads.
They rust out here too, and we don't even get snow or ice.
MJRB
I swear that the Italian cars have rust enhancer in the paint primer...

Geezer
Misifus
2009-01-09 23:20:23 UTC
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Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
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George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".

-Raf
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Geezer
2009-01-09 23:33:19 UTC
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Post by Misifus
Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".
-Raf
I'll agree with you there, Raf.
Here's my buddy's car:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Karls-East-Coast-Speed-GT_191166.htm

He does tha work on Sue's Mustang...

Geezer
Misifus
2009-01-10 04:12:22 UTC
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Post by Geezer
Post by Misifus
Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".
-Raf
I'll agree with you there, Raf.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Karls-East-Coast-Speed-GT_191166.htm
He does tha work on Sue's Mustang...
Geezer
Sweet!

-Raf
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Bill Chandler
2009-01-09 23:46:38 UTC
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Post by Misifus
Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".
-Raf
Or perhaps "F#&(ing Old Rebuilt Dodge"...

Bill (prefers Chevy's...drives a Dodge...go figure...) Chandler

ps.: MOPAR=Miscellaneous Old Parts Arranged Randomly
Fiat=Fix It Again, Tony
Pontiac=Poor Old Nut Thinks It's A Cadillac
Ford=Flip Over, Read Directions

Going home now...
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George's Pro Sound Company
2009-01-10 04:38:00 UTC
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Post by Misifus
Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".
-Raf
I believe you believe incorrectly:-)
people drive fords to charcoal briquette bbq's
need I say more?
George
Misifus
2009-01-10 16:28:56 UTC
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Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Misifus
Post by n***@verizon.net
Post by George's Pro Sound Company
Post by Ed Maier
<snip a truckload>
Post by Misifus
Regardless, it's not Martin's fault that you didn't buy wisely. If you
really don't care for Martins, fine, buy other brands. I trust you
realize your campaign is not likely to do much to affect the reputation
of Martin guitars - not while there are thousands of satisfied owners all
over the world.
-Raf (one of the satisfied owners)
Probably more like tens of thousands of satisfied owners all over the world.
Ed (HD-35) Maier
But Ed, even FORD has tens of thousands of satisfied users
we don't call them
Found On Road Dead for nothing
George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George,
I'm afraid you have it wrong with FORD.....
Fix Or Repair Daily..... :-)
Norman (Make Min A CHEVY!!) Draper
AHEM! I believe that's "First On Race Day".
-Raf
I believe you believe incorrectly:-)
people drive fords to charcoal briquette bbq's
need I say more?
George
He says to us, here in the heart of mesquite bbq country?

-Raf (smile)
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TimW
2009-01-09 18:30:34 UTC
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Stuart,

I own 7 Martin Guitars.

D28 Marquis (So So tone , but bought for a different reason)
M3SC (AWESOME tone, on my short list)
M38 (sweet old beater)
000-15S (great lap guitar, great tone)
5-16GT (small but nice)
DM (for an all lamenate model, very bluegrassy tone, nice)
LXK2 (always amazed at the sound of this guitar)

They are all nice instruments tonally and structurally sound. As my
comments show above, the little LXK2 still blows me a way when I play it and
my M3SC is on my short list... Now, that said, I know there are good and bad
in every Makers inventory and I have played my share of Martin dogs, but I
didn't buy them cause they were just that....dogs. As far as your Martin I
could understand it looking good when you got it and then quickly falling
apart, and I will bet it is humidity related... the finsh crazing almost
certain. However, if it didn't sound as good as your Chinese made guitars
and you still bought it anyway, well my friend that would be your fault and
your's alone. Did you think that after you bought it, it would somehow
miraculously start sounding better? Not going to happen. And I'd have to
agree with the others, just because this and a few other Martin's you've ran
across were poor tone or workmanship doesn't mean the EVERY Martin guitar
is. I will say, that as with any large guitar manufacturer they have had
their good years and their bad. And I have seen them need quite a bit of
setup and work coming straitght from the factory, this is not acceptable to
me, but is a fact. However,, the way your trying to go about it (IMHO) makes
you sound more like a person with sour grapes and a chip on his shoulder and
less of a person wanting to make constructive progess on getting your guitar
repaired...

My daddy always said - You attract more flies with honey than you do shit...

Sincerely,

TimW
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Post by r***@hotmail.com
Below is my conversation with a Martin guitar company spokes
person...my Martin just came apart...never mind the fact it sucked
when compared to Chinese made guitars...buyer beware!!!
Paula Primrose,
Funny thing is...everytime I try to post my review of your Martin D-28
product to privately owned websites (retailers of Martin guitars) they
never post my review...maybe cause it's so negative? I'm going to
start a blog/website that describes all the short comings of Martin
guitars and how they are over priced due to using Amercian labor...NOT
because they are actually quality products. We will poll visitors of
the website for their negative experiences with your products and
allow anyone to view these. I've a friend in NYC who's a web
programmer who's had the same success with your guitars (D-18) and we
are on the same page. He's a smart guy and we are going to spend much
time laying out the principles of guitar manufacturing...specifically
how Martin cannot make a better guitar than a Chinese worker at a
fraction of the cost. This is enough to make me want to become a
communist to be frank. Please keep an eye out for our website...I'll
be emailing you the link asap (saving your contact info as you read
this). Our site, name yet to be determined, will only list the short
comings, to provide balast to the rosey reviews only permitted by
other sites, with regard to Martin guitars. My $300 Yamaha 720 sounds
better than any new D-28 I've seen and played...I'm convinced it is
actually a better guitar and cannot prove otherwise. My Guild GAD-50,
Chinese built no less, blows the doors off my D-28...no comparison.
At a whopping cost of $630...and that includes tax!!! Thanks for
your time, Stuart Jordan
Subject: RE: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting Martin. No this is not typically of our
instruments. It sounds like the guitar
could be dried out. You can take your guitar to a service center to
see what can be done and the cost.
If you have any other questions let me know. Thanks
Best regards,
Paula Primrose
Customer Service
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Customer Information
Subject: Second owner of D28 has to vent a little...ask for help.
Just bought a 2000 year model D28...used from original owner...this
was 12/11/08. Starting 12/29/08, approximately, the top's finish
starting cracking like a sheet of glass. Within 36 hours from that
time the back comes unglued to the sides and the back cracks in no
fewer than a dozen places. It's going to cost almost as much to fix
the guitar as what I paid for it (fix cracks, glue back together and
refinish > $1k).
Is this typical of Martin guitar quality or ??? I've two chinese made
guitars (Yamaha & Guild) that truely stand out compared to what I've
seen thus far from Martin.
Anyone wants to help me salvage this guitar or am I the new owner of a
very expensive paper weight?
Stuart Jordan
Joe Jordan
2009-01-10 00:29:01 UTC
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:34 -0500, "TimW"
Post by TimW
D28 Marquis (So So tone , but bought for a different reason)
You just need to send that to me and let me work on it for
you. I'll fix it.

<snip>
Post by TimW
My daddy always said - You attract more flies with honey than you do shit...
Was that before or after the ass whipping?

Joe
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Hanger
2009-01-09 19:17:39 UTC
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A few people on this NG knew John Pearse....
can anyone confirm whether that comment about him ( near the bottom ) is
true, or is it taken out of context ?
Do we know ?
Great sounding old D-28 BTW.........



C.
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-09 19:36:05 UTC
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Post by Hanger
A few people on this NG knew John Pearse....
can anyone confirm whether that comment about him ( near the bottom ) is
true, or is it taken out of context ?
Do we know ?
Great sounding old D-28 BTW.........
http://youtu.be/yK8QZ7k8UAw
C.
I've only spoken with John at NAMM, some years back, but I do know he was
an avid collector and very knowledgeable. If he did say that, he's not the
only one. Consistency and quality have gone up, IMHO.

I loved the comment about the Braz, a lot of folks don't understand that
the straight grained, quartersawn, Braz, used on those old guitars, is
pretty boring to look at.

Steve Hawkins
Cliff
2009-01-09 19:45:00 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by Hanger
A few people on this NG knew John Pearse....
can anyone confirm whether that comment about him ( near the bottom ) is
true, or is it taken out of context ?
Do we know ?
Great sounding old D-28 BTW.........
http://youtu.be/yK8QZ7k8UAw
C.
I've only spoken with John at NAMM, some years back, but I do know he was
an avid collector and very knowledgeable.  If he did say that, he's not the
only one.  Consistency and quality have gone up, IMHO.
I loved the comment about the Braz, a lot of folks don't understand that
the straight grained, quartersawn, Braz, used on those old guitars, is
pretty boring to look at.
Steve Hawkins
Hiya Steve....hey, even funnier than that braz comment....bit further
down, is the comment about a Taylor 314ce blowing that old Martin
away.....yeh right !..
sometimes, the comments on YT are more entertaining, albeit stupid,
than the clips.

C.
n***@verizon.net
2009-01-09 21:26:01 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Post by Hanger
A few people on this NG knew John Pearse....
can anyone confirm whether that comment about him ( near the bottom ) is
true, or is it taken out of context ?
Do we know ?
Great sounding old D-28 BTW.........
http://youtu.be/yK8QZ7k8UAw
C.
I've only spoken with John at NAMM, some years back, but I do know he was
an avid collector and very knowledgeable.  If he did say that, he's not the
only one.  Consistency and quality have gone up, IMHO.
I loved the comment about the Braz, a lot of folks don't understand that
the straight grained, quartersawn, Braz, used on those old guitars, is
pretty boring to look at.
Steve Hawkins
Steve,

I have a 1983 D28 that's a "Limited Edition Adaptation"... How's THAT
for a moniker??!! It's a 150th year sort of thing....

Anyway, when it was brought out from the back of the store, I looked
at it and said somethimg about it being the most unusual Indian
rosewood I'd ever seen... It had some interesting lines and colors
that I'd never seen in Indian. Larry Broido just looked and
smiled.... It was Brazillian. Absolutely straight-grained.... Looks
a bit plain next to one with all the swirls in it....

Side note.... I walked out of Acoustic Roots with that guitar and a
Santa Cruz Koa/Adirondack 12 fret.... That was when I fully realized
that I was consumed by GAS....

My 13,426 step program seems to be working..... One day at a time....

Norman (Quite A Day.....) Draper
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-09 22:35:00 UTC
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Post by n***@verizon.net
Steve,
I have a 1983 D28 that's a "Limited Edition Adaptation"... How's THAT
for a moniker??!! It's a 150th year sort of thing....
Anyway, when it was brought out from the back of the store, I looked
at it and said somethimg about it being the most unusual Indian
rosewood I'd ever seen... It had some interesting lines and colors
that I'd never seen in Indian. Larry Broido just looked and
smiled.... It was Brazillian. Absolutely straight-grained.... Looks
a bit plain next to one with all the swirls in it....
Side note.... I walked out of Acoustic Roots with that guitar and a
Santa Cruz Koa/Adirondack 12 fret.... That was when I fully realized
that I was consumed by GAS....
My 13,426 step program seems to be working..... One day at a time....
Norman (Quite A Day.....) Draper
Wait until you hear my Wingert!

Steve Hawkins
Cliff
2009-01-09 22:49:13 UTC
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
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Will it be featured on your new CD ?

C
Steve Hawkins
2009-01-10 00:16:56 UTC
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
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Will it be featured on your new CD ?
C
Yes, it and the McCollum Baritone for sure.

Steve Hawkins
c***@att.net
2009-01-10 00:35:35 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Steve Hawkins
Wait until you hear my Wingert!
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Will it be featured on your new CD ?
C
Yes, it and the McCollum Baritone for sure.
Steve Hawkins
My last GAS attack.

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Bob
Bill Chandler
2009-01-10 01:24:23 UTC
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
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Will it be featured on your new CD ?
C
Yes, it and the McCollum Baritone for sure.
Steve Hawkins
My last GAS attack.
Bob
Oh, mama, that's PRETTY! Can we see the rest of her?

Bill (loves 12-strings) Chandler
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2009-01-10 01:40:41 UTC
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Post by Cliff
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Steve Hawkins- Hide quoted text -
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C
Yes, it and the McCollum Baritone for sure.
Steve Hawkins
My last GAS attack.
Bob
Oh, mama, that's PRETTY! Can we see the rest of her?
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Only as much at a time as will fit on the scanner my camera is dead.

Bob
propman
2009-01-10 02:54:30 UTC
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Post by c***@att.net
Only as much at a time as will fit on the scanner my camera is dead.
A moment of silence for Bob's camera, if you please, ladies and gentlemen.
hank alrich
2009-01-10 05:41:49 UTC
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Post by c***@att.net
Only as much at a time as will fit on the scanner my camera is dead.
A moment of silence for Bob's camera, if you please, ladies and gentlemen.
< >
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
propman
2009-01-10 07:09:39 UTC
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Post by propman
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Only as much at a time as will fit on the scanner my camera is dead.
A moment of silence for Bob's camera, if you please, ladies and gentlemen.
< >
Heh!
c***@att.net
2009-01-10 02:52:54 UTC
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Post by c***@att.net
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Post by Cliff
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Steve Hawkins- Hide quoted text -
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Will it be featured on your new CD ?
C
Yes, it and the McCollum Baritone for sure.
Steve Hawkins
My last GAS attack.
Bob
Oh, mama, that's PRETTY! Can we see the rest of her?
Bill (loves 12-strings) Chandler
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http://geocities.com/***@att.net/back.jpg

cedar, redwood?
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Walnut?
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Fishman rare earth blend
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ebony, bloodwood binding
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sound sample plugged directly into the computer line input.
http://geocities.com/***@att.net/BaaBaaBlackSheep101808.mp3

Bob
Bill Chandler
2009-01-10 14:50:32 UTC
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the following, and served it to the group:

<snip>
Post by c***@att.net
cedar, redwood?
Walnut?
Fishman rare earth blend
ebony, bloodwood binding
sound sample plugged directly into the computer line input.
Bob
SWEET!! Thanks for the pics!
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propman
2009-01-09 23:52:10 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Is that anything like Blind Melon Chittlin' showing his ding-dong?
Bill Chandler
2009-01-10 01:31:31 UTC
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Post by propman
Post by Steve Hawkins
Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Is that anything like Blind Melon Chittlin' showing his ding-dong?
Propman, Kathy Wingert is a builder who many of us have met at
Gatherings.

She builds absolutely KILLER guitars (and her daughter does the
magnificent inlay work), she plays the living HELL out of them, and
she sings like an angel.

Go here...

http://wingertguitars.com/

And here...

http://dunwellguitars.com/

And here...

http://kinscherff.com/

and here...

http://www.leachguitars.com/

And here.

http://mccollumguitars.com/

and here...

http://www.mcalisterguitars.com/

I could go on. (And I should...there are SO many great luthiers who
hang out here, and I'm sure I've left out many...SORRY!!!) I've had
the honor of meeting Alan, and Jamie, and Kathy, and have played
guitars by several others. I have 2 Dunwells which are vastly more
guitar than my talents merit.

Prepare to get GAS.

Bad.

Bill (has 2 Dunwells...wants lots of others) Chandler
--------
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a***@contractorcom.com
2009-01-10 02:44:58 UTC
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Post by Bill Chandler
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Jeez, Bill,

I was given a plaque (years ago) by my then company for an attainment
award with that very same quote on it - etched, mounted and all the
other corporate shite on it.....I thought the company had an enhanced
sense of irony, considering I was busking the whole gig...:-)

It hangs in my shed, and is slowly getting covered in nicotine stains.

Who the hell was Bruce Barton?

Pete
Bill Chandler
2009-01-10 14:52:52 UTC
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Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside them was superior to circumstance. - Barton, Bruce
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Jeez, Bill,
I was given a plaque (years ago) by my then company for an attainment
award with that very same quote on it - etched, mounted and all the
other corporate shite on it.....I thought the company had an enhanced
sense of irony, considering I was busking the whole gig...:-)
It hangs in my shed, and is slowly getting covered in nicotine stains.
Who the hell was Bruce Barton?
Pete
Once again, I can't take responsibility for that. My sig changer
program does 'em at random--I rarely choose one, and I certainly
wouldn't have chosen something like that. (I have no idea who Bruce
Barton is. I may even find the .txt file the program uses for quotes
and delete some more...I've done that on occasion, when I notice one
that I find particularly annoying. That one does indeed look like it
belongs on one of those silly plaques, doesn't it?)
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... Do random acts of kindness and beauty.

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propman
2009-01-10 02:52:13 UTC
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Is that anything like Blind Melon Chittlin' showing his ding-dong?
Propman, Kathy Wingert is a builder who many of us have met at
Gatherings.
Hmmmm....guess I'm going to have to put smilies on relevant comments as
that comment was meant as a bit of a quip rather than inquiry; fwiw,
I've heard/read about Wingert guitars previously. Thanks for the update
though....nice to see others offering to help and enlighten. :-)
Bill Chandler
2009-01-10 14:53:55 UTC
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Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Is that anything like Blind Melon Chittlin' showing his ding-dong?
Propman, Kathy Wingert is a builder who many of us have met at
Gatherings.
Hmmmm....guess I'm going to have to put smilies on relevant comments as
that comment was meant as a bit of a quip rather than inquiry; fwiw,
I've heard/read about Wingert guitars previously. Thanks for the update
though....nice to see others offering to help and enlighten. :-)
Just wanted to make sure...if you *EVER* have a chance to play one of
Kathy's guitars, don't miss it. Or any of the others in that list.

GAS inducers, all.

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Geezer
2009-01-10 15:50:09 UTC
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Post by Steve Hawkins
Wait until you hear my Wingert!
Is that anything like Blind Melon Chittlin' showing his ding-dong?
Propman, Kathy Wingert is a builder who many of us have met at
Gatherings.
Hmmmm....guess I'm going to have to put smilies on relevant comments as
that comment was meant as a bit of a quip rather than inquiry; fwiw,
I've heard/read about Wingert guitars previously. Thanks for the update
though....nice to see others offering to help and enlighten. :-)
Just wanted to make sure...if you *EVER* have a chance to play one of
Kathy's guitars, don't miss it. Or any of the others in that list.
GAS inducers, all.
Bill Chandler
...bc...
Just a warning..if you ever play one of Kathy's guitars, you'll be forever
comparing any and all future guitars to that one experience. And they will
all
have something lacking.

In short, you'll never be satisfied 'till you own a Wingert.

Geezer
Dissatisfied guitar hack.
propman
2009-01-09 23:49:07 UTC
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I have a 1983 D28 that's a "Limited Edition Adaptation"... How's THAT
for a moniker??!! It's a 150th year sort of thing....
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that I was consumed by GAS....
My 13,426 step program seems to be working..... One day at a time....
Well at least you have some lea-way......
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