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Question for Gibson experts, what about a J-60?
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Mike brown
2003-07-12 09:15:41 UTC
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Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
Scott, I doubt that you will get an unbiased opinion from anyone (not
intended as a put down). We all have our preferences when it comes to
sound. Personally I think that good Martin dreads are better than good
Gibson dreads.
If you want to talk about jumbos, it's another matter.
Muichael James Richard B
David Drucker
2003-07-12 13:34:57 UTC
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I'm no expert, but the specs for the J-60 Plus appear to be identical to
that of the J-60 Traditional I had for a while: square-shouldered
dreadnaught, rosewood b/s, sitka top, gibson "advanced" bracing, active
pickup. The Traditional has the old-style script logo; the Plus, I don't
know.

Unless there's something else going on with the Plus, the price is way high.
I bought and sold mine, in as-new condition both ways, for about $900.

I thought it was a good guitar for $900, but didn't think that it had a
characteristically Gibsonesque tone. It was trying, I think, to be a D28,
and didn't quite make it. My J-45, on the other hand, sounds exactly like a
Gibson, and exactly right.

dd
Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
Geoff Duncan
2003-07-12 22:13:42 UTC
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Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share?
I ain't an expert, but I've got one I play regularly. It's been my main
dreadnought for a few years, and I've recorded with it a lot.
The one in question the seller said is a 97 model J-60 "plus".
Never heard of such a thing - which doesn't mean it's not for real. The
only variant of the J-60 I am aware of is a special edition which were
made with curly maple back and sides, and a three-piece flame maple and
mahogany (?) neck. I've seen one of these (and played it briefly) -
looked great, sounded pretty brittle. (It also had a plate on the back
of the headstock which said "International Collectors' Edition 1993" or
similar.)

It's possible Gibson marketed J-60s with factory-installed onboard
electronics as "Plus" and the electronics-free versions as
"Traditional." I've actually never seen a J-60 with factory-installed
electronics, but I've been given to understand that they exist. ;-)

My J-60 basically matches the specs here:

<http://www.gibson.com/products/montana/1998/j60.html>

...save that mine did not have any factory-installed electronics. (I've
since installed a Highlander IP-2 and an AKG 416 internal mic.)
How would this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28?
Martin players prefer the Martin dreads; the J-60 isn't quite the same
thing, but holds up pretty well. Players I know with both D-28s and
HD-28s who have played my J-60 Traditional say it compares favorably,
and all agree that it handles dropped tunings particularly well. (Bear
in mind that I have the guitar strung appropriately for lowered tunings,
and it pulls off a quite convincing low C).

At standard pitch they seem to feel it has a lot of "bite" for playing
bluegrass (especially!), country, blues, etc., where the Martin dreads
seem to be a little smoother in tone. I personally don't play it
full-out like that very much, but I find it has good string separation,
well-focussed bass, great sustain, and a very clear tone for
fingerstyle/hybrid playing - the ebony fingerboard gives it just a
little bit of snap when you need it. I like the neck profile, which is a
bit hurkier than more modern acoustics. When I do play it all-out, I
can't overdrive the top, and it is a bit of a cannon - actually, playing
swing on it is a blast. Other guitarists with whom I do the "sit around
the living room and play tunes" thing usually want to take a turn or two
on the J-60, even with my heavier-than-normal strings.
I am a fan of Gibson tone and would appreciate an
unbiased subjective opinion.
Isn't "unbiased" and "subjective" a contradiction in terms? ;-)

OK, well, my J-60 ain't got "that" Gibson tone - it is a
square-shouldered dread, and it sounds like a square-shouldered dread.
For most of its history, Gibson steered away from making these, kinda
working under the assumption that was Martin's territory and it would be
fairly impolite to try to horn in on it. But every now and again they'd
produce something for a little while, it wouldn't sell all that well
(because, well, Gibson ain't known for its square-shouldered dreads,
right?), and the idea would again be shelved for another time.

That said, mine's pretty nice. I find the J-60 is pretty much the
dreadnaught Gibson would have made if it had been serious about taking
on Martin in the area of solid-wood square-shouldered dreads. It's
well-voiced, sturdy, reliable, alternatively darned loud and very
focused, flexible, and nicely built. The Montana instruments were of
widely varying quality early in their runs; if this is a 1997, you're
probably fine: it's late 80s, early 90s which seem to be diciest.
The seller is asking 1400.00, does this sound like a reasonable price?
Seems high, but they seem to be hard to find. My guitar guy once offered
me $2000 for mine, but I don't know what he was thinking. With some
searching, you can get a decent used D-28 with an ebony fingerboard for
~$1500. The J-60s originally listed for $1800 to $2000, and typically
sold for around $1300 to $1500 new. I got mine on a steal of a deal at
an estate sale, but these days I'd expect a used one in excellent shape
to go for maybe $1100 with OHSC. I guess you'd have to decide if the
electronics are worth the extra $$.

Anyway. I like mine.

If you want that "Gibson tone," maybe check out a good J-45 with its
shorter scale? I played a brand-new J-45 "Rosewood" a couple weeks ago
in a store which was outstanding. The J-45 is not really my thing, but I
can't deny it was a very sweet guitar. And I've always had a soft spot
for J-180s. I think the J-200s are 25.5" scale.

gd
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Scott Huie
2003-07-14 02:11:27 UTC
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Hello Geoff,

Thanks for all the good info! I have not even seen the J-60 in
question. It is about a 6-hour drive away. I presently am the happy
owner of an advanced jumbo and the j-60 interested me because it is
supposed to have the same bracing. The seller of the j-60 said it did
have a factory under saddle pickup, perhaps that is what the "plus"
is. Oh well maybe one will come my way to check out.
Thanks!
Scott
Post by Geoff Duncan
Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share?
I ain't an expert, but I've got one I play regularly. It's been my main
dreadnought for a few years, and I've recorded with it a lot.
The one in question the seller said is a 97 model J-60 "plus".
Never heard of such a thing - which doesn't mean it's not for real. The
only variant of the J-60 I am aware of is a special edition which were
made with curly maple back and sides, and a three-piece flame maple and
mahogany (?) neck. I've seen one of these (and played it briefly) -
looked great, sounded pretty brittle. (It also had a plate on the back
of the headstock which said "International Collectors' Edition 1993" or
similar.)
It's possible Gibson marketed J-60s with factory-installed onboard
electronics as "Plus" and the electronics-free versions as
"Traditional." I've actually never seen a J-60 with factory-installed
electronics, but I've been given to understand that they exist. ;-)
<http://www.gibson.com/products/montana/1998/j60.html>
...save that mine did not have any factory-installed electronics. (I've
since installed a Highlander IP-2 and an AKG 416 internal mic.)
How would this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28?
Martin players prefer the Martin dreads; the J-60 isn't quite the same
thing, but holds up pretty well. Players I know with both D-28s and
HD-28s who have played my J-60 Traditional say it compares favorably,
and all agree that it handles dropped tunings particularly well. (Bear
in mind that I have the guitar strung appropriately for lowered tunings,
and it pulls off a quite convincing low C).
At standard pitch they seem to feel it has a lot of "bite" for playing
bluegrass (especially!), country, blues, etc., where the Martin dreads
seem to be a little smoother in tone. I personally don't play it
full-out like that very much, but I find it has good string separation,
well-focussed bass, great sustain, and a very clear tone for
fingerstyle/hybrid playing - the ebony fingerboard gives it just a
little bit of snap when you need it. I like the neck profile, which is a
bit hurkier than more modern acoustics. When I do play it all-out, I
can't overdrive the top, and it is a bit of a cannon - actually, playing
swing on it is a blast. Other guitarists with whom I do the "sit around
the living room and play tunes" thing usually want to take a turn or two
on the J-60, even with my heavier-than-normal strings.
I am a fan of Gibson tone and would appreciate an
unbiased subjective opinion.
Isn't "unbiased" and "subjective" a contradiction in terms? ;-)
OK, well, my J-60 ain't got "that" Gibson tone - it is a
square-shouldered dread, and it sounds like a square-shouldered dread.
For most of its history, Gibson steered away from making these, kinda
working under the assumption that was Martin's territory and it would be
fairly impolite to try to horn in on it. But every now and again they'd
produce something for a little while, it wouldn't sell all that well
(because, well, Gibson ain't known for its square-shouldered dreads,
right?), and the idea would again be shelved for another time.
That said, mine's pretty nice. I find the J-60 is pretty much the
dreadnaught Gibson would have made if it had been serious about taking
on Martin in the area of solid-wood square-shouldered dreads. It's
well-voiced, sturdy, reliable, alternatively darned loud and very
focused, flexible, and nicely built. The Montana instruments were of
widely varying quality early in their runs; if this is a 1997, you're
probably fine: it's late 80s, early 90s which seem to be diciest.
The seller is asking 1400.00, does this sound like a reasonable price?
Seems high, but they seem to be hard to find. My guitar guy once offered
me $2000 for mine, but I don't know what he was thinking. With some
searching, you can get a decent used D-28 with an ebony fingerboard for
~$1500. The J-60s originally listed for $1800 to $2000, and typically
sold for around $1300 to $1500 new. I got mine on a steal of a deal at
an estate sale, but these days I'd expect a used one in excellent shape
to go for maybe $1100 with OHSC. I guess you'd have to decide if the
electronics are worth the extra $$.
Anyway. I like mine.
If you want that "Gibson tone," maybe check out a good J-45 with its
shorter scale? I played a brand-new J-45 "Rosewood" a couple weeks ago
in a store which was outstanding. The J-45 is not really my thing, but I
can't deny it was a very sweet guitar. And I've always had a soft spot
for J-180s. I think the J-200s are 25.5" scale.
gd
Geoff Duncan
2003-07-14 19:01:37 UTC
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Post by Scott Huie
Thanks for all the good info! I have not even seen the J-60 in
question. It is about a 6-hour drive away.
That's a long way to go just on speculation... if you were going ANYWAY,
I'd say it might be worth checking out, but I don't know that it
warrants a special trip.
Post by Scott Huie
I presently am the happy owner of an advanced jumbo and the j-60
interested me because it is supposed to have the same bracing.
I haven't played an advanced jumbo lately, so I can't really offer a
subjective comparison. I remember *really* liking an advanced jumo I
played almost five years ago, though. ;-) I think it was also 24.75"
scale... maybe I'm mistaken.
Post by Scott Huie
The seller of the j-60 said it did have a factory under saddle pickup
I'm pretty sure those were all Fishmans... I don't know if there's set
of pre-amp controls embedded into the side or not... I remember seeing
some Montana Gibsons of that era with pre-amp controls in the sides, but
also some which did not.

Best of luck!

gd
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Geoff Duncan <http://www.quibble.com/geoff/>
Mail sent to this address won't reach me - or anyone else.
j***@gmail.com
2014-10-19 20:11:18 UTC
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I have a mid-90s J-60 Plus. It does indeed have a Fishman saddle pickup but no onboard electronics or controls. The pickup is just wired to an endpin jack.

I did not like the sound of the pickup - very metally sounding (as many do). I left the pickup in but installed a Pick-Up-The-World pickup and wired it to the end pin jack, and now amplified it sounds identical to what the instrument sounds like acoustically.

Wonderful guitar IMO...
b***@gmail.com
2016-01-21 16:18:44 UTC
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Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
HI I had a j60 Gibson it sounded good the neck was small for me the wood is finner then the d28 martin it sounded good.
b***@gmail.com
2016-01-21 16:19:44 UTC
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Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
the price is good
Steve Daniels
2016-01-21 23:05:23 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:19:44 -0800 (PST), against all advice, something
Post by b***@gmail.com
Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
the price is good
Well, do take into account the thirteen years of inflation.
j***@gmail.com
2017-09-08 21:19:11 UTC
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Does anyone have any information or experience with a Gibson J-60 they
could share? I am looking at one. The one in question the seller said
is a 97 model J-60 "plus". I have not been able to find out any info
as to what the "plus" denotes. What are the differences between a
"plus" and a standard J-60? It is a several hour drive to go and see
the guitar, it is described as in excellent condition and as having
"monsterous tone" in the seller's words (he is a dealer). How would
this guitar compare to a good d-28 or hd-28? I am a fan of Gibson tone
and would appreciate an unbiased subjective opinion. I am looking for
a good quality rosewood dread. The seller is asking 1400.00, does this
sound like a reasonable price? I appreciate any input.
Thanks, Scott
I was the purchaser at the Gibson Montana plant from 1988 -1993. In 1991 I got the opportunity to build a guitar, and since I was primarily a bluegrass player at the time, I designed and built a bluegrass guitar, using Advanced Jumbo bracing and a square shouldered body. When I was done, the guy who was the general manager at the time looked at it and dubbed it the J-60. I have the prototype of the line and now, sadly, I need to sell it. It's a good guitar and I've used it on several recordings.
John Lowell
f***@gmail.com
2018-06-16 23:07:50 UTC
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Jesus, the j60 plus has enclosed kluson gear tuners, the j60 plus has a richlite fretboard, the j60 plus can come with walnut back and sides, the j60 plus can come with big leaf maple soundboard, the j60 plus comes with Mr bags piezo pickup!
geoff
2018-06-17 09:14:07 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Jesus, the j60 plus has enclosed kluson gear tuners, the j60 plus has a richlite fretboard, the j60 plus can come with walnut back and sides, the j60 plus can come with big leaf maple soundboard, the j60 plus comes with Mr bags piezo pickup!
So what is the question ?

geoff

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