OT: President Obama's Affordable Care Act Saves the Life of Republican Brent Brown

[Paul]

And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!

VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

[David J. Littleboy]

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you’d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

Bernie talks a lot about heath care, Hillary and Obama actually do something
about it. Big difference.

-- David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

[nospam]

Post by David J. Littleboy

Post by Paul
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you¹d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy

Post by Paul
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you¹d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured.

Healthy people don't need *any* insurance. Insurance is there because
healthy people sometimes become unhealthy.

[nospam]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy
But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you¹d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured.

Healthy people don't need *any* insurance.

true, and yet it's now forced on everyone, healthy or not.

Post by Tony Cooper
Insurance is there because
healthy people sometimes become unhealthy.

sometimes they do, but the costs are usually less than the premiums
paid.

catastrophic insurance is for major events, but that's now illegal.

put another way, people are prohibited from buying the insurance that
best fits their needs.

[PeterN]

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy

Post by Paul
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you¹d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

You are cherry picking, just to get in on an argument.
The underlying concept is that reasonable medical care is a human right.
No person should have to become bankrupt because they get sick. By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

[nospam]

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy
But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you1d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

You are cherry picking, just to get in on an argument.

nope.

Post by PeterN
The underlying concept is that reasonable medical care is a human right.

if it's a human right, then why do they have to pay for it?

Post by PeterN
No person should have to become bankrupt because they get sick.

instead they might become bankrupt from paying drastically higher
premiums for less coverage, even when they're healthy.

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.

people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

[PeterN]

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy
But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you1d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

You are cherry picking, just to get in on an argument.

nope.

Post by PeterN
The underlying concept is that reasonable medical care is a human right.

if it's a human right, then why do they have to pay for it?

Post by PeterN
No person should have to become bankrupt because they get sick.

instead they might become bankrupt from paying drastically higher
premiums for less coverage, even when they're healthy.

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.
The vase majority of people do not have the capacity to select the type
of policy that's "best" for them. Almost all policies are written in
ambiguous language, that is interpreted under the laws of the Sate of
the insured.
As I said the ACA has a lot of flaws, and I would like to see a much
better law. I have serious doubts that it will happen during the
lifetime of anyone here.
Any better law would have to start with a complete overhaul of our
health delivery system, including severe impediments to malpractice
lawsuits.
Understand I am talking morality, not legality, or practicality.

[don hindenach]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:46:02 -0500

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy
But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you1d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

You are cherry picking, just to get in on an argument.

nope.

Post by PeterN
The underlying concept is that reasonable medical care is a human right.

if it's a human right, then why do they have to pay for it?

Post by PeterN
No person should have to become bankrupt because they get sick.

instead they might become bankrupt from paying drastically higher
premiums for less coverage, even when they're healthy.

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.
The vase majority of people do not have the capacity to select the type
of policy that's "best" for them. Almost all policies are written in
ambiguous language, that is interpreted under the laws of the Sate of
the insured.
As I said the ACA has a lot of flaws, and I would like to see a much
better law. I have serious doubts that it will happen during the
lifetime of anyone here.
Any better law would have to start with a complete overhaul of our
health delivery system, including severe impediments to malpractice
lawsuits.
Understand I am talking morality, not legality, or practicality.
--
PeterN

Miracles do happen, as witness PeterN actually typing w/o the capslock on.

[PeterN]

Post by don hindenach
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:46:02 -0500

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy
But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you1d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

You are cherry picking, just to get in on an argument.

nope.

Post by PeterN
The underlying concept is that reasonable medical care is a human right.

if it's a human right, then why do they have to pay for it?

Post by PeterN
No person should have to become bankrupt because they get sick.

instead they might become bankrupt from paying drastically higher
premiums for less coverage, even when they're healthy.

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.
The vase majority of people do not have the capacity to select the type
of policy that's "best" for them. Almost all policies are written in
ambiguous language, that is interpreted under the laws of the Sate of
the insured.
As I said the ACA has a lot of flaws, and I would like to see a much
better law. I have serious doubts that it will happen during the
lifetime of anyone here.
Any better law would have to start with a complete overhaul of our
health delivery system, including severe impediments to malpractice
lawsuits.
Understand I am talking morality, not legality, or practicality.
--
PeterN

Miracles do happen, as witness PeterN actually typing w/o the capslock on.

Good answer. YOU REALLY MADE A POINT.

[nospam]

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.

who said anything about leaving people to die in the streets?

Post by PeterN
The vase majority of people do not have the capacity to select the type
of policy that's "best" for them. Almost all policies are written in
ambiguous language, that is interpreted under the laws of the Sate of
the insured.

that's a separate issue.

the issue i have is that catastrophic coverage used to be offered and
now it's prohibited.

for some people, catastrophic coverage is enough, but since it's no
longer offered, they have to pay *substantially* more money for
coverage they don't want or need.

Post by PeterN
As I said the ACA has a lot of flaws, and I would like to see a much
better law. I have serious doubts that it will happen during the
lifetime of anyone here.
Any better law would have to start with a complete overhaul of our
health delivery system, including severe impediments to malpractice
lawsuits.
Understand I am talking morality, not legality, or practicality.

i do agree with that. the whole system is broken.

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.

who said anything about leaving people to die in the streets?

That's pretty much what I got when I went to a hospital with a torn hand
thirty years ago. "Oh, you can't come here, we don't take people without
insurance. You'll have to go to the poor people's hospital downtown. I
guess you could get a taxi if you can't walk."

This sort of thing is now illegal; they have to at least stabilize you and
stop the bleeding before they send you on your way. But experiences like
this make me realize just how bad our health care system really is, and
to what extent people who think they are healthy may in fact suddenly be in
need of expensive care.
--scott

[nospam]

Post by Scott Dorsey

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN

Post by nospam

Post by PeterN
By the
same token people should not be let to die because they are living from
hand to mouth. If I wanted to, I could point out lot's of stupid
provisions in the ACA as written. Many of which are far worse than vague
statement you make such a big deal about.
BTW what you call catastrophic coverage is coverage above the payout
limits of the old policies. Come out with a better plan, and then people
will listen.

what i call catastrophic coverage is high deductible, something which
is now illegal.
people should be able to choose as much or as little coverage they want.

Why. When they get really sick, do we leave them to die in the streets.

who said anything about leaving people to die in the streets?

That's pretty much what I got when I went to a hospital with a torn hand
thirty years ago. "Oh, you can't come here, we don't take people without
insurance. You'll have to go to the poor people's hospital downtown. I
guess you could get a taxi if you can't walk."

that's a different issue.

Post by Scott Dorsey
This sort of thing is now illegal; they have to at least stabilize you and
stop the bleeding before they send you on your way. But experiences like
this make me realize just how bad our health care system really is, and
to what extent people who think they are healthy may in fact suddenly be in
need of expensive care.

that's what catastrophic insurance is intended to cover.

[pltrgyst]

Post by nospam
the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,

Of course there is. Where did you ever get that idea?

-- Larry

[nospam]

Post by pltrgyst

Post by nospam
the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,

Of course there is.

definitely not.

Post by pltrgyst
Where did you ever get that idea?

multiple insurance companies all saying that they're now prohibited
from offering catastrophic coverage.

[dsi1]

Post by nospam

Post by David J. Littleboy

Post by Paul
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

But that's not logical; Obamacare working is a reason to vote for Hillary.
And Obamacare really works. Obamacare already provides affordable health
care to everyone the Republicans didn't take it away from (by making the
Medicaid expansion optional). Prior to Obamacare, the insurance products
were largely frauds: they didn't cover the things you needed, and could (and
did) kick you off any time. The insurance companies made money by not paying
claims. After that ACA, they don't (if anything, they lose money by not
paying claims). They can't kick you off, and they can't not sell you a
policy. And the policies are way better than they used to be. There were no
subsidies, so most couldn't afford them, and even if you could afford them,
if you¹d ever been sick, they wouldn't sell you one.

the policies are worse. for instance, there's no catastrophic coverage,
so healthy people are now overinsured. the subsidized policies are
being paid for by everyone else, where the premiums are double what
they used to be in some cases.

What you say make sense. Why the heck would any insurance want to offer
coverage to non-healthy people? That's just bad/stupid business. Repeal
Obamacare now!

[dsi1]

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

If Obamacare saves the lives of republicans, doesn't that mean there's
some serious flaws with it? Republicans should get their own medical
plans and stop sucking monies out of a system intended for decent,
hard-working, Americans.

[Rockhound57]

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

If Obamacare saves the lives of republicans, doesn't that mean there's
some serious flaws with it? Republicans should get their own medical
plans and stop sucking monies out of a system intended for decent,
hard-working, Americans.

What would you know about hard-working? The hardest thing you've ever
worked is getting your boyfriend's rod up your poop chute.

[dsi1]

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

[Steven Bornfeld]

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

Are you saying we should "make America whole again"? Because that may
be one of the worst campaign slogans in history, I think.

[dsi1]

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

Are you saying we should "make America whole again"? Because that may
be one of the worst campaign slogans in history, I think.

You're right - it stinks but it was that or "Tippecanoe and Sanders Too!"

[Steven Bornfeld]

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

Are you saying we should "make America whole again"? Because that may
be one of the worst campaign slogans in history, I think.

You're right - it stinks but it was that or "Tippecanoe and Sanders Too!"

"No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold"

[dsi1]

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

[Steve Daniels]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:16:16 -1000, against all advice, something

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

What I can't believe is that the Republican Party could not run a
candidate I could vote for over Hillary.




fuck fuck fuck

[Les Cargill]

Post by Steve Daniels
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:16:16 -1000, against all advice, something

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

What I can't believe is that the Republican Party could not run a
candidate I could vote for over Hillary.

When the social media phenomenon hit Egypt, it was much
uglier than this.

Trump's figured out people don't like ideology.

Parties grew up with newspapers, then adapted to TV - 66
years ago. Either they'll adapt to social media or... it'll be
something else.

<snip>

[dsi1]

Post by Steve Daniels
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:16:16 -1000, against all advice, something

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

What I can't believe is that the Republican Party could not run a
candidate I could vote for over Hillary.

Yes, why it is so hard to find a human being that regular folks can
relate to on any kind of level is a mystery.

Post by Steve Daniels
fuck fuck fuck

[Les Cargill]

Post by dsi1

Post by Steve Daniels
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:16:16 -1000, against all advice, something

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

What I can't believe is that the Republican Party could not run a
candidate I could vote for over Hillary.

Yes, why it is so hard to find a human being that regular folks can
relate to on any kind of level is a mystery.

Ever seen "A Face In The Crowd"? Folksy gladhanding pubic figures are
the most artificial thing there is. I can heartily recommend "Hank
Williams" by Colin Escott to totally destroy any idea you might have
that any public figure is just a genuine human being. A genuine
human being wouldn't be interesting to start with.

This ignores a handful of geniuses that make it truly work, who are
actual good folks but mostly, you're seeing constructed characters
designed to equalize out distortions from the medium itself.

The last person who was, for example POTUS who as even
close to genuine was Eisenhower. Look at footage of his speeches.
it seems stilted and amateurish now.

It's a corollary of "it costs a lot of money to look this cheap".

<snip>

[dsi1]

Post by Les Cargill

Post by dsi1

Post by Steve Daniels
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:16:16 -1000, against all advice, something

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

What I can't believe is that the Republican Party could not run a
candidate I could vote for over Hillary.

Yes, why it is so hard to find a human being that regular folks can
relate to on any kind of level is a mystery.

Ever seen "A Face In The Crowd"? Folksy gladhanding pubic figures are
the most artificial thing there is. I can heartily recommend "Hank
Williams" by Colin Escott to totally destroy any idea you might have
that any public figure is just a genuine human being. A genuine
human being wouldn't be interesting to start with.

I like that idea - you get to be El Presidente only if you don't want to
be El Presidente. I've been El Presidente before but I never wanted to
be. It looks like I'm going to be El Presidente in a few months but my
feeling is that anybody that wants me to lead them is probably nuts or
really desperate.

Post by Les Cargill
This ignores a handful of geniuses that make it truly work, who are
actual good folks but mostly, you're seeing constructed characters
designed to equalize out distortions from the medium itself.
The last person who was, for example POTUS who as even
close to genuine was Eisenhower. Look at footage of his speeches.
it seems stilted and amateurish now.

Eisenhower would never be allowed to join the media circus that the
public demands today. It appears that it's gonna be a three-ring big-top
spectacle rarely seen before. Then, the fun and the laughs are going to
stop real fast.

Post by Les Cargill
It's a corollary of "it costs a lot of money to look this cheap".
<snip>

[Steven Bornfeld]

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

I suspect for not a few people that is exactly the appeal. We'll find
out in the general election if he's nominated.
I think his grip on reality is probably not good, but better than he's
letting on. There is genius of a sort here. There seems to be
literally nothing Trump can say that can hurt his chances.
Remember Howard Dean's "whoop" at the Iowa caucuses in which he finished
3rd in 2004? He is said to have sunk his chances for the White House
with one syllable.
What syllable will Trump have to utter to be hurt? It's hard to say,
but I know 4-letter words ain't gonna do it.

Steve

[Steven Bornfeld]

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

I suspect for not a few people that is exactly the appeal. We'll find
out in the general election if he's nominated.
I think his grip on reality is probably not good, but better than he's
letting on. There is genius of a sort here. There seems to be
literally nothing Trump can say that can hurt his chances.
Remember Howard Dean's "whoop" at the Iowa caucuses in which he finished
3rd in 2004? He is said to have sunk his chances for the White House
with one syllable.
What syllable will Trump have to utter to be hurt? It's hard to say,
but I know 4-letter words ain't gonna do it.
Steve

The Dean Scream:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/DeanScream.ogg

[dsi1]

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

I suspect for not a few people that is exactly the appeal. We'll find
out in the general election if he's nominated.
I think his grip on reality is probably not good, but better than he's
letting on. There is genius of a sort here. There seems to be
literally nothing Trump can say that can hurt his chances.
Remember Howard Dean's "whoop" at the Iowa caucuses in which he finished
3rd in 2004? He is said to have sunk his chances for the White House
with one syllable.
What syllable will Trump have to utter to be hurt? It's hard to say,
but I know 4-letter words ain't gonna do it.
Steve

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/DeanScream.ogg

I'm just glad there's nobody else in this office. That was scary. :)

[dsi1]

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld
No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold

I don't know about you but having a megalomaniac president with a loose
grip on reality and the average American citizen pretty much assures
100% pure, unadulterated, entertainment. I mean, what's the worst that
can happen - we nuke N. Korea or some other country that makes us mad. I
suspect we'd impeach the guy or the military will stage a coup before
all that fun can get out of hand. :)

I suspect for not a few people that is exactly the appeal. We'll find
out in the general election if he's nominated.
I think his grip on reality is probably not good, but better than he's
letting on.

I think you're right about that. It's an act and some people know it and
most people believe it. When he goes out on stage, he probably says to
himself "It's showtime!" Hee hee.

Post by Steven Bornfeld
There is genius of a sort here. There seems to be
literally nothing Trump can say that can hurt his chances.
Remember Howard Dean's "whoop" at the Iowa caucuses in which he finished
3rd in 2004? He is said to have sunk his chances for the White House
with one syllable.
What syllable will Trump have to utter to be hurt? It's hard to say,
but I know 4-letter words ain't gonna do it.

That guy is like Obi-wan. If you strike him down, he'll become more
powerful than you can ever imagine. :)

Post by Steven Bornfeld
Steve

[Les Cargill]

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

Are you saying we should "make America whole again"? Because that may
be one of the worst campaign slogans in history, I think.

You're right - it stinks but it was that or "Tippecanoe and Sanders Too!"

"No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold"

"Out here in the middle.
Where the center's on the right.
Where the ghost of William Jennings Bryant
Preaches every night
To save our souls
In the dashboard light. " - James McMurtry.

There is another line to tag the chorus, but I don't know Stephen
well enough to type it in :)

[Steve Daniels]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 21:34:24 -0600, against all advice, something

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Steven Bornfeld

Post by dsi1

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

I have seen this before: the all caps and triple exclamation marks. This
does not bode well for Mr. Sanders. Too bad.

Are you saying we should "make America whole again"? Because that may
be one of the worst campaign slogans in history, I think.

You're right - it stinks but it was that or "Tippecanoe and Sanders Too!"

"No Crown of Thorns No Cruz of Gold"

"Out here in the middle.
Where the center's on the right.
Where the ghost of William Jennings Bryant
Preaches every night
To save our souls
In the dashboard light. " - James McMurtry.
There is another line to tag the chorus, but I don't know Stephen
well enough to type it in :)

Wish you we'r . . .


Oh yeah. I see the problem now.

[Rockhound57]

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

Right. FREE SHIT FOR EVERYONE!!!

[Paul]

Post by Rockhound57

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

Right. FREE SHIT FOR EVERYONE!!!

IT'S NOT "FREE", YOU IDIOT!

IT WOULD BE PAYED FOR BY OUR TAXES, WHICH ARE NOW WASTED ON STUPID
SHIT LIKE OBSCENE MILITARY SPENDING ON THE F-35, AND OTHER THINGS WE
DON'T NEED, LIKE TRUMP'S STUPID AND INEFFECTIVE WALL!

TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND YOU MIGHT START SEEING REALITY!

[Rockhound57]

Post by Paul

Post by Rockhound57

Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/jYZnk86Dqbw
And this is NOT the only story....there are many others, some of
whom I know personally!
VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS! UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS,
REGARDLESS OF INCOME!!!

Right. FREE SHIT FOR EVERYONE!!!

IT'S NOT "FREE", YOU IDIOT!
IT WOULD BE PAYED FOR BY OUR TAXES, WHICH ARE NOW WASTED ON STUPID
SHIT LIKE OBSCENE MILITARY SPENDING ON THE F-35, AND OTHER THINGS WE
DON'T NEED, LIKE TRUMP'S STUPID AND INEFFECTIVE WALL!
TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND YOU MIGHT START SEEING REALITY!

HEY DUMBFUCK, ONLY HALF OF AMERICA PAYS TAXES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SECOND, THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS GOING TO GET SWAMPED LIKE A TITANIC
LIFEBOAT.
THIRD, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS KINGPIN IN A SINGLE PAYER SCHEME THEY
CAN AND WILL DICTATE WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T EAT. HOW MUCH EXERCISE YOU
HAVE TO DO, ETC.
I REALIZE A STATIST PRICK LIKE YOURSLF WOULD LIKE THAT BUT FOR THOSE
THAT ENJOY WHAT LIBERTY THEY HAVE LEFT, THEY DON'T NEED THIS
BOONDOGGLE.

BUT DO GO ON DRINKING THE KOOL-AID. EVEN MOPES HAVE A PLACE IN THIS
WORLD.