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My Cooperstand FUCKED MY 12 STRING!
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Steve Daniels
2015-07-29 21:50:02 UTC
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Ahem.

Sorry for shouting.

I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!

It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!





Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
RichL
2015-07-29 22:51:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
Yeah, that happens with a lot of stands that hold guitars with nitro
finishes.

Too late to help you, but what I've done with similar stands and wall
hangers is to put a little piece of paper towel between the guitar and the
squishy black stuff. It ain't purdy, but it works.
Steve Daniels
2015-07-29 23:11:35 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:51:33 -0400, against all advice, something
Post by RichL
Too late to help you, but what I've done with similar stands and wall
hangers is to put a little piece of paper towel between the guitar and the
squishy black stuff. It ain't purdy, but it works.
I'm going to replace it with deer hide.
p***@gmx.com
2015-07-30 16:32:29 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
Does your guitar have Nitrocellulose lacquer by any chance?
Steve Daniels
2015-07-30 17:19:40 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT), against all advice, something
Post by p***@gmx.com
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
Does your guitar have Nitrocellulose lacquer by any chance?
No idea. It's an early eighties Guild.
Nil
2015-07-30 17:51:41 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
Post by p***@gmx.com
Does your guitar have Nitrocellulose lacquer by any chance?
No idea. It's an early eighties Guild.
I'm almost certain that it does. I think all Guilds had nitro lacquer
until they came out with their Asian-made GD line 10 or 15 years ago.

I've heard tales of finish reacting to guitar stands like that. I keep
an eye on mine and have never noticed it happening... yet, anyway.
Tony Done
2015-07-31 07:30:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
<Sigh> Been there done that, my Bourgeois. Luckily I spotted it while it
was still easily repaired. I now wrap the offending parts with tape.
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Tony Done

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/
d.
2015-08-01 20:11:28 UTC
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Post by Tony Done
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
<Sigh> Been there done that, my Bourgeois. Luckily I spotted it while it
was still easily repaired. I now wrap the offending parts with tape.
--
Tony Done
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456
http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/
What kind of tape?
Tony Done
2015-08-02 22:23:08 UTC
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Post by d.
Post by Tony Done
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
<Sigh> Been there done that, my Bourgeois. Luckily I spotted it while it
was still easily repaired. I now wrap the offending parts with tape.
--
Tony Done
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456
http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/
What kind of tape?
Masking tape is OK.
--
Tony Done

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456

http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/
Chris Dunkle
2015-08-01 04:27:41 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
yeah, know what you mean. When I bought my George Peacock, it already
had those marks on it. Took it back to George (still alive then, gone
now) and he said to just leave it. I've gotten used to the marks, but it
bothered me a long time.
Tape, paper towels, deer hide, just about anything will work.

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dsi1
2015-08-01 19:43:21 UTC
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Post by Chris Dunkle
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
yeah, know what you mean. When I bought my George Peacock, it already
had those marks on it. Took it back to George (still alive then, gone
now) and he said to just leave it. I've gotten used to the marks, but it
bothered me a long time.
Tape, paper towels, deer hide, just about anything will work.
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If that's a common problem it might not devalue the guitar. When I sent
my vintage Gibson to the mainland, it came back to me covered with fine
spider web cracks. I thought the finish was ruined but I come to find
that the cracks are so typical on old Gibsons that it didn't affect the
price. Heck, I'd be suspicious of a vintage Gibson that had no finish
checks.
m2
2015-08-07 15:12:21 UTC
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Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
\
I can dig it. I had it happen to a VERY expensive classical guitar.
The plasticizers used in the supports can out gas and attack the old
nitro-cellulose finishes. Sucks! I can empathize.
Bill
2015-08-08 04:37:47 UTC
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Post by m2
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
\
I can dig it. I had it happen to a VERY expensive classical guitar.
The plasticizers used in the supports can out gas and attack the old
nitro-cellulose finishes. Sucks! I can empathize.
Do they come with warning labels? I ordered a stand through the mail
once, and never used it because it would have scratched up my instrument.
Steve Daniels
2015-08-08 16:16:55 UTC
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 00:37:47 -0400, against all advice, something
Post by Bill
Post by m2
Post by Steve Daniels
Ahem.
Sorry for shouting.
I had my Guild 12 string sitting on the Cooperstand in the living room.
It's where it lived. Yesterday I noticed that the squishy black stuff
that is supposed to protect the finish came of *on* the finish. Which is
bad enough, but wait! There's more!
It actually REMOVED THE FINISH FROM THE AFFECTED PARTS!
Excuse me again. I'm a bit put out.
\
I can dig it. I had it happen to a VERY expensive classical guitar.
The plasticizers used in the supports can out gas and attack the old
nitro-cellulose finishes. Sucks! I can empathize.
Do they come with warning labels? I ordered a stand through the mail
once, and never used it because it would have scratched up my instrument.
In all fairness, yes. It comes with a warning:


"Regardless of the results of our testing, there is no way that any
manufacturer can guarantee 100% that there will never be a reaction to a
product."

In our experience, various types of organic or synthetic materials, such
as leather or vinyl used on straps, different types of textile components
like nylon/rayon/ EVA foam all commonly used in carrying cases, and
petroleum based plastics or rubbers found in everything from hardware
components to surface coatings on accessory products can possibly cause
negative finish interaction on musical instruments."


http://www.cooperstand.com/pages/limited-lifetime-warranty
Bill
2015-08-09 03:04:54 UTC
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In all fairness, yes. It comes with a warning:..
Maybe you can replace the offending parts with a trip to a craft
(sewing) store. You could do a really nice job if you know how to
operate a sewing machine.
Steve Daniels
2015-08-09 21:19:04 UTC
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 23:04:54 -0400, against all advice, something
Post by Bill
In all fairness, yes. It comes with a warning:..
Maybe you can replace the offending parts with a trip to a craft
(sewing) store. You could do a really nice job if you know how to
operate a sewing machine.
I've got some deer hide I'm going to glue onto it. It's a nice stand,
but damm.

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