Chords for Hyfrydol?

[Dick Thaxter]

Our church folk group was looking at music for an upcoming service and
this year it looks like someone else might be picking hymns for us. We
tend to avoid real hymn-sounding hymns and the Methodist hymnal that we
use for folk Sundays has awful guitar chord suggestions--worse than a
lot of the bad pop music transcriptions you see done by pianists.
Anyway it's been suggested we do one that's to the Hyfrydol tune and the
chords were just awful--a chord change on every beat of a 3/4 song. It
wouldn't even sound good if you could make all the changes. A lot of
times we'll work with a tune and write our own chord changes, but
sometimes it's just not worth it. I know there are nice fingerstyle
arrangements published out there--tip of the hat to the GP's version.
But what I want is a simplified chord pattern that actually works on
guitar. Didn't find any googling in various places, but I thought
someone might have this handy ...

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

dick thaxter

[elmcmeen]

Post by Dick Thaxter
Our church folk group was looking at music for an upcoming service and
this year it looks like someone else might be picking hymns for us. We
tend to avoid real hymn-sounding hymns and the Methodist hymnal that we
use for folk Sundays has awful guitar chord suggestions--worse than a
lot of the bad pop music transcriptions you see done by pianists.
Anyway it's been suggested we do one that's to the Hyfrydol tune and the
chords were just awful--a chord change on every beat of a 3/4 song. It
wouldn't even sound good if you could make all the changes. A lot of
times we'll work with a tune and write our own chord changes, but
sometimes it's just not worth it. I know there are nice fingerstyle
arrangements published out there--tip of the hat to the GP's version.
But what I want is a simplified chord pattern that actually works on
guitar. Didn't find any googling in various places, but I thought
someone might have this handy ...
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
dick thaxter

It's really a variant of G, Emi, C, D, Dick

Try this site, transpose up a step, and can the 7th chords...

http://www.gospelmusic.org.uk/a-g/come_thou_long_expected_jesus.htm

El

[SteveWLB40]

Post by elmcmeen
It's really a variant of G, Emi, C, D, Dick

OK, I've got the G, Emi, C, & D, but how do you finger the ......... oh,
never mind, I don wanna know.
Steve Barker

[elmcmeen]

Post by SteveWLB40

Post by elmcmeen
It's really a variant of G, Emi, C, D, Dick

OK, I've got the G, Emi, C, & D, but how do you finger the .........

oh,

Post by SteveWLB40
never mind, I don wanna know.
Steve Barker

Methinks he knows already...

EM

[Dick Thaxter]

Post by elmcmeen

Post by SteveWLB40

Post by elmcmeen
It's really a variant of G, Emi, C, D, Dick

OK, I've got the G, Emi, C, & D, but how do you finger the .........

oh,

Post by SteveWLB40
never mind, I don wanna know.
Steve Barker

Methinks he knows already...
EM

Our server didn't get El's first reply, but I found it on google groups.
Thanks to all who responded. I should just for fun look it up in this
Methodist Hymnal that we use a second hymnal and post them here for
comparison. I think it's called "The Faith We Sing" and our
Presbyterian church chose it recently as a second hymnal--which is what
the folk group uses primarily. Don't know who chose it, but they sure
didn't look at the guitar parts as part of the consideration.

Dick Thaxter

[Michael Horsch]

How about these:

D / A | D / / | G\B / / | A / A7 |
D\F# / / | D / / | Em / A | D / / :|
D / / | Bm / / | Em / / | A7 / / |
D / / | Bm / / | Em / / | A / / |
D / / | Em / / | D / / | A / A7 |
D\F# / / | G / / D\A / A | D / / |

(chord name or "/" is a beat, "|" a bar line, "\" indicates
optional bass, ":|" the "obvious" repeat)

I capo 3 to play in F major.

Mike

[Dick Thaxter]

Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.

Dick Thaxter

Post by Michael Horsch
D / A | D / / | G\B / / | A / A7 |
D\F# / / | D / / | Em / A | D / / :|
D / / | Bm / / | Em / / | A7 / / |
D / / | Bm / / | Em / / | A / / |
D / / | Em / / | D / / | A / A7 |
D\F# / / | G / / D\A / A | D / / |
(chord name or "/" is a beat, "|" a bar line, "\" indicates
optional bass, ":|" the "obvious" repeat)
I capo 3 to play in F major.
Mike

[Dick Thaxter]

Post by elmcmeen

Post by Dick Thaxter
Our church folk group was looking at music for an upcoming service and
this year it looks like someone else might be picking hymns for us. We
tend to avoid real hymn-sounding hymns and the Methodist hymnal that we
use for folk Sundays has awful guitar chord suggestions--worse than a
lot of the bad pop music transcriptions you see done by pianists.
Anyway it's been suggested we do one that's to the Hyfrydol tune and the
chords were just awful--a chord change on every beat of a 3/4 song. It
wouldn't even sound good if you could make all the changes. A lot of
times we'll work with a tune and write our own chord changes, but
sometimes it's just not worth it. I know there are nice fingerstyle
arrangements published out there--tip of the hat to the GP's version.
But what I want is a simplified chord pattern that actually works on
guitar. Didn't find any googling in various places, but I thought
someone might have this handy ...
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
dick thaxter

It's really a variant of G, Emi, C, D, Dick
Try this site, transpose up a step, and can the 7th chords...
http://www.gospelmusic.org.uk/a-g/come_thou_long_expected_jesus.htm
El

Home again and I've looked at the chords in the hymnal. Here they are
for comparison. Sheesh. No wonder we don't like it for the folk group.

Dick Thaxter

Chords from Hymn #2004 from "The Faith We Sing"
Praise the Source of Faith and Learning

each line is 4 bars in 3/4

F C F Gm7 C7 F C Dm C
F C7 F Gm Dm C F
F C F Gm C7 F C Dm C F
C7 F Gm Dm C F
Am Dm7 Gm7 C7 Dm7 C7
F Dm Gm F Gsus Gm BbMaj7 Csus
F Dm7 Gm7 C7 F G C Bb C7
F Bb F Bb F C7 F

El's pointer to "reasonable" chords for a hymn
to the same tune (I think something got clipped a
little, but you'll get the idea):

F Bb C7
Come, Thou long expected Jesus
F Bb C7 F
Born to set Thy people free;
Bb C7
From our fears and sins release us,
F Bb C7 F
Let us find our rest in Thee.
Am Dm Gm C7
Hope of all the earth Thou art;
F Bb C7
Dear desire of every nation,
F Bb C7 F
Joy of every longing heart.

[misifus]

I play:

C | Am | Dm | Dm
C | F C | G7 C | G7 C
C | F | C | G7
C | F | C | G7
C | F G F | C | G7 C

-Raf

[No Busking]

Post by Dick Thaxter
Our church folk group was looking at music for an upcoming service and
this year it looks like someone else might be picking hymns for us. We
tend to avoid real hymn-sounding hymns and the Methodist hymnal that we
use for folk Sundays has awful guitar chord suggestions--worse than a
lot of the bad pop music transcriptions you see done by pianists.

Dick, we use it regularly for instrumental filler....

We do it in D (pretty much as (Michael Horsch wrote below), with one guitar
playing fingerstyle chords and the other playing melody - first time through
the verse single string, from the chorus and to the second verse with double
stops.

On a couple of occasions, we've added flute or violin on the melody, with
the lead guitar playing harmony in some spots, and a counter-melody in
others...it was pretty simple to put together (I don't think I ever notated
it, but will check). Mandolin (or even slide!) might work as well, if you
wanted to take it in a bluegrass direction.

We've also done a jazzy rubato intro with flute or alto sax on the melody,
where the guitar chords were...

Dmaj7 / Bm7 / G6/ A7sus4 - A7 /
Dmaj7 / Bm7 / Em7 / A7sus4-A7

When we do it with Alto Sax, we capo the first fret to put it in the key of
concert Eb (which is C for the saxophonist, and makes it a bit easier to add
flourishes).

BTW - do you have any horns or violins in your group? If so, give me a
call - I've written a few arrangements of hymns and some popular music that
might be useful to you.

Cheers,

Mike Pugh

[Dick Thaxter]

Post by No Busking

Post by Dick Thaxter
Our church folk group was looking at music for an upcoming service and
this year it looks like someone else might be picking hymns for us. We
tend to avoid real hymn-sounding hymns and the Methodist hymnal that we
use for folk Sundays has awful guitar chord suggestions--worse than a
lot of the bad pop music transcriptions you see done by pianists.

Dick, we use it regularly for instrumental filler....
We do it in D (pretty much as (Michael Horsch wrote below), with one guitar
playing fingerstyle chords and the other playing melody - first time through
the verse single string, from the chorus and to the second verse with double
stops.
On a couple of occasions, we've added flute or violin on the melody, with
the lead guitar playing harmony in some spots, and a counter-melody in
others...it was pretty simple to put together (I don't think I ever notated
it, but will check). Mandolin (or even slide!) might work as well, if you
wanted to take it in a bluegrass direction.
We've also done a jazzy rubato intro with flute or alto sax on the melody,
where the guitar chords were...
Dmaj7 / Bm7 / G6/ A7sus4 - A7 /
Dmaj7 / Bm7 / Em7 / A7sus4-A7
When we do it with Alto Sax, we capo the first fret to put it in the key of
concert Eb (which is C for the saxophonist, and makes it a bit easier to add
flourishes).
BTW - do you have any horns or violins in your group? If so, give me a
call - I've written a few arrangements of hymns and some popular music that
might be useful to you.
Cheers,
Mike Pugh

Mike,

Thanks, for the suggestions. This is a congregational hymn, so we're
just trying to play the chords loudly enough for 200-300 folks to sing
with. The church has several other instrumental ensembles--a flute
choir, a brass choir, and there's several accomplished violinists among
the youth including Peter's former girlfriend who majored in violin at
Indiana U.

But our folk group has one beginning fiddle player who usually plays
mandolin, half a dozen guitars (natch), and a banjo. I'll play guitar,
mandolin, banjo, dobro depending on the tune. The other night at
practice there were three 12-string guitars. Never quite heard a sound
like that before.

I just did that solo Saturday coffeehouse service/concert in July and
also used my 12-string electric octave guitar. That sounded great in
church through a Yamaha DG stomp with a little chorus. Maybe next time
I'll bring my new lap steel. Did you ever get around to making one? I
found one just like I was going to build on eBAY for cheap--mahogany,
tele pickup with ashtray bridge to rest my palm. It's real fun in open
E, but I plan to restring it for C6 as soon as the Cindy Cashdollar
homespun tapes arrive.

Dick